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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Feb 1, 2013 #761 of 1620
    jcthorne

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    No, obviously you have never lived through the aftermath of a hurricane or other large natural disaster. Cell phone and internet service die about 48 hrs after the power goes out because the standby generators at the cell towers and switching stations run out of fuel. Live tv and radio almost never go dead as they are considered lifeline services. Even POTS service goes out after extended power outages. We were somewhat luckey after Ike that water and gas services never did go down in our area. But they did in some. Power was out for 13 days. Cell and internet services were down for about 4 to 6 in there.
     
  2. Feb 1, 2013 #762 of 1620
    NotNowChief

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    Realistically, it will be YEARS before you see that. YEARS.
     
  3. Feb 1, 2013 #763 of 1620
    morac

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    During Superstorm Sandy, the major talk/news radio station in NJ lost their transmitter because of power outages. They were only available over the Internet, because it requires a lot less electricity to stream over the Internet (can be done with batteries) as oppose to the 20,000 watts or so to broadcast over the air. Broadcasting TV takes even more power. The main reason TV was still available is because power wasn't lost in areas where TV transmits from.

    Also areas that had no power still had cell service because cell service is considered very important so fuel was provided to generators. There were also roaming charging station trucks so people could charge their cell phones. Voice calls had problems going through, but texting and data worked well.
     
  4. Feb 1, 2013 #764 of 1620
    ohporter

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    This reminds me of my major concern with the Mini (which we want for our secondary viewing bedroom location)...this model of dedicating a tuner for the Mini to get LiveTV. I find it hard to accept the notion of giving up one tuner permanently just so we can flip on the live broadcast of the local news occasionally. Having been a happy MythTV user with dynamic allocation of tuners for years, I'm not sure how TiVo can consider it acceptable in 2013 to release something that permanently allocates a tuner like that. I didn't believe it until I read their description on tivo.com on how to enable that option on the Premiere 4 :(
     
  5. Feb 1, 2013 #765 of 1620
    P42

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    Just because Tivo are doing this, does mean they fine it acceptable, it just means in the juggling act of what features get done in in the time frame available this feature is getting implemented in a half assed fashion. It works, the user gets to watch live TV, but the implementation leave a lot of room for improvement :)

    Personally I won't be buying a Mini, but only because we are a one TV household. If we were a multi TV household with a cable subscription I'd be watching its progress closely.
     
  6. Feb 1, 2013 #766 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    That's fine if true. In the meantime, I have 2 Premieres with lifetime and an HD with lifetime -- 6 tuners -- so I'm not out any additional funds besides cablecards.

    Most likely, I'll upgrade to the new Tivo when it is released. The other scenario is that I sell Tivos and jump ship to Dish with their Hopper/Joey DVR with Slingbox external streaming. The least likely scenario is a I cut the cord and care less about paid TV content.
     
  7. Feb 5, 2013 #767 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    Thread title should be changed to "TiVo Mini - possibly on life support at TiVo HQ"
     
  8. Feb 5, 2013 #768 of 1620
    DaveDFW

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    They're just withholding release until it is 100% bug free. ;)
     
  9. Feb 5, 2013 #769 of 1620
    RichB

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    I was thinking about buying two more Tivo's but decided against it.
    How much do I owe them :)

    - Rich
     
  10. Feb 5, 2013 #770 of 1620
    RichB

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    Hmm. So in my kithcen, I can put an IPAD on a speaker dock and I have a free end point.

    I can put an Apple TV in my bedroom and display my shows with my IPAD.
    All interesting no cost solutions since I have a Stream :)

    This is ironic since the TiVo advertises IPad as their whole house solution.

    - Rich
     
  11. Feb 5, 2013 #771 of 1620
    davezatz

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    Nah, until it's 85% bug free and they figure out how to price it.
     
  12. Feb 5, 2013 #772 of 1620
    Arcady

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    You can't send video from the iPad to the Apple TV when running the TiVo app.
     
  13. Feb 5, 2013 #773 of 1620
    RichB

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    I wonder why.

    All stick no carrot.

    - Rich
     
  14. Feb 5, 2013 #774 of 1620
    marktaylor22

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    wow! can't wait to get mine!
     
  15. Feb 6, 2013 #775 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    You'll be waiting a while.
     
  16. Feb 6, 2013 #776 of 1620
    MichaelK

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    bingo!

    But I'd clarify that really it's more like companies charge what they BELIEVE will maximize their profits and none of that is in a vacuum (unless they are stupid). So could be many things at play here.

    Some spectulation that Tivo wants the product itself to make money, break even, or not cost additional premier add ons.

    Myself, I think the hypothesis that much of it is related to trying not to piss off their cable company partners makes the most sense. When i read all the different theories and thoughts that one seems to make the most sense to me (again that and 2 bucks gets you a cup of coffee.)

    They don't really value the stand alones (and sadly for us it makes sense since after all these years we haven't made them filthy rich). They currently think being in bed with pay tv providers is the way to go. So they'll sacrifice us in order to keep cable/pay tv happy.

    I wish they would price it like an accessory to a premiere in the hopes of making the premiere more valuable in retail but that doesn't sound like it's in the cards at the moment- sadly...
     
  17. Feb 6, 2013 #777 of 1620
    MichaelK

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    Dan, i believe you are a very generous person. I too would agree about your end game. But I would not call it a "proof of concept"- that i think is really kind of you to give them such a huge benefit of the doubt.

    I'd call the current steps just a really slow, almost too late, hacked together, confusing attempt to achieve a vision they have likely had for probably 15 years now.

    If they were on the ball they would have been there already 3 years ago and would have dominated the world of TV and it would be Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, and TIVO in the epic battle for world domination (OK maybe I'm getting a little crazy with all that... lol)

    I seem to remember discussion from tivo themselves around the series 1 about how all along they intended a whole home solution and that's why they had even spent time developing and wound up including the stuff for the series one to move files back ON to the tivo's, i think there was even an interview with one of the founders about how a big multituner box was always the intent but the components were just so not ready back then so they were forced to go single tuner at each tv. Then came along the series 2 and it was a magical and was a 'modular platform" to allow all sorts of things with the potential for many tuners. That never panned out never getting past 2 tuners in the Directivos and the S2DT models (which was another hilarious - we better catch up to everyone else moment- since it had a use for such a short time the digital transition basically made it worthless to most). The S3 seems was really just a stop gap holding pattern for a couple years to deal with HD since nothing came of that whole platform that- still just 2 tuners like they had 7 years prior way back in 1999/2000 on the S1 directivos. Then came along the S4 3 years ago they showed the screen shots with the user profile system around the time of the premiere launch. So all along they have been aiming this way but just never got here (still not even yet...)

    So I dont think it's a proof of concept but more they realize that others are now very close to achieving their vision from the late 1990's while they themselves are (as always) late to the game. They still don't have their ducks in a row (hec they can't even finish off the SD screens on the premieres)- so they're going to used all this hacked together, half completed/baked stuff. (based on where i think they would admit they should be if you got them off the record).

    If i were being less pessimistic, I might say they have a mythical series 5 right around the corner- maybe next year- that will complete the big picture with a true "one box" that does it all. But they're behind on that too so they have to bandaid things right now (even months and months late) and come up with all these add ons to duct tape to the existing hardware to hold people over till they finally can get the S5 out the door. But even that's hard to imagine since at this point the mini/s4/stream combo will only be alive and in the wild for a matter of months if the S5 were to be launched early next year- so why even bother it if the S5 (maybe based on the pace hardware?) is coming out just a few months more- and you could release the entire dream all at once. It's not like they haven't just delayed things previously for months and months or even several years- so why not just put it all on hold now till the end game is complete next year (if it's in fact that close?)

    a whole lot of rhetorical questions and blah blah above- bottom line you are a good and generous man!
     
  18. Feb 6, 2013 #778 of 1620
    Philmatic

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    Anyone notice the homepage of tivo.com changed drastically recently? They are still touting "multiple premieres" for multi-room support, but they are displaying a laptop with the familiar TiVo seek interface. Windows/Desktop app refresh? Also could be a bad photoshop with no relation to reality.

    http://www.tivo.com/
     
  19. Feb 6, 2013 #779 of 1620
    RichB

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    ^^ The hompage shows a TiVo Mini.

    - Rich
     
  20. Feb 6, 2013 #780 of 1620
    Philmatic

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    Good catch, even though the caption still talks of multiple TiVo Premieres:

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