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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Jan 31, 2013 #741 of 1620
    L David Matheny

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    You're right about that; text message charges are essentially financial rape. A one-minute call probably costs the phone company 1000 times more than a text message. But phone companies have more monopoly market power to screw their customers than TiVo has. Then again, maybe that's why TiVo is getting into bed with the cable companies, who make the phone companies seem almost reasonable and benevolent by comparison. Once the cable companies get TiVo where they want them, they'll happily screw TiVo just like they screw their customers, of course.
     
  2. Jan 31, 2013 #742 of 1620
    atmuscarella

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    I think I have a better chance of winning the power ball lottery than a mini with lifetime service being $80 (and I don't buy lottery tickets).

    Regarding the "competition" well lets take a look at all the companies making Stand Alone Cable DVR appliances - Oh wait that didn't take long - there is only ONE company and it is TiVo.
     
  3. Jan 31, 2013 #743 of 1620
    L David Matheny

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    You're probably right about that.

    TiVo currently has no real competition in the OTA market, but some people think they may abandon that to concentrate on the cable market, where there is (currently lame) competition. In any case, companies who think they have a lock on some market are often blindsided by something new. Smart companies are always looking over their shoulders and trying to improve.
     
  4. Jan 31, 2013 #744 of 1620
    atmuscarella

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    I agree 100% - we know from the recent CNN Money article that TiVo spent 41% of revenue from the last 9 months on research and development, which seems pretty good. So hopefully they are spending it in away that keeps them moving forward.
     
  5. Jan 31, 2013 #745 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    That's the big question, and the jury is way out on that one. $88mil in R&D has gotten us what? A half-baked Stream, fixes to the Premiere that should have been done 2 years ago (and it will never be as fast as it should be because of Flash), and products that don't yet exist in the market. We'll have to see if the Mini and 6-tuner box ever deliver at retail, because right now it looks like a lot of money was spent but possibly more on the cable end than retail.
     
  6. Jan 31, 2013 #746 of 1620
    DaveDFW

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    What else has been bought with their R&D expenditures? Certainly no productive funds have been spent on the Elite/XL4 platform, which frequently loses all tuners rendering the devices useless as DVRs.
     
  7. Jan 31, 2013 #747 of 1620
    Digital Man

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    I would love for the Mini to be almost-free as much as the next guy, but for me the Mini will provide a valuable service that I would be willing to pay for as long as it's not too outrageous.

    I bought my Premier XL4 in November to replace one of my two Comcast DVRs because Comcast doesn't offer a big enough hard drive in any of their DVRs for HDTV. Plus I have always wanted a Tivo but in the past it didn't do everything I needed (such as On Demand). I was aware of the Mini at the time and that factored into my buying decision. My plan is take a look at the Mini when it comes out and if it looks good I'll get one and replace my second Comcast DVR. This will reduce the money I give to Comcast and provide a huge benefit to me. That benefit is the ability to watch my Tivo recordings on either TV. We don't watch too much TV on that secondary TV, so it's a waste to pay for a full Comcast DVR on that TV.

    I have always wanted a whole home DVR solution and am pleased with the XL4 plus Mini solution from what I know about it. It's exactly what I've been looking for and I don't have a problem paying for something like that.

    DM
     
  8. Jan 31, 2013 #748 of 1620
    Jonathan_S

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    The one rational I saw someone here suggest, (unfortunatly I can't recall who), was that the monthly fee on the mini was because TiVo was trying to hit an out the door price point on a new 'whole home' bundle with a Premiere 4 + a couple TiVo Minis. To do that they might discount the Mini below cost (and recover the loss through an increaded monthly fee for the bundle).

    For example:
    Their current 3 TV whole home 'strategy' is to buy 3 Premieres: 3 x $149 out the door + service @ 3 x $14.99 -(2 x $2.00 MSD) -> $447 + $40.97/month

    And right now a Premiere 4 is $249 and $14.99/month. So if they can get the Mini's down to even $75, they can cut fifty bucks off that out the door price and presumably still lower the total monthly payment significantly. (Even before you consider any potential savings from outlet or cablecard fees)


    So as annoying as a service fee on them sounds I'm going to wait and see what the actual prices are before I get too up in arms about it :)
     
  9. Jan 31, 2013 #749 of 1620
    button1066

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    It sounds like you are already getting hysterical.

    A Premiere with lifetime for existing customers is around $500 ($100 for box + $399 for service). And that's with the cheap boxes that are normally $150.

    Even if the Mini plus lifetime comes in at $250 it would be half what a Premiere costs. I sincerely doubt the price will be less than that and am expecting it to be more with total cost of $300.

    Note: I can't even use a Mini since I don't have a four tuner TiVO so it is all moot to me. I don't get why people are so excited about it.
     
  10. Jan 31, 2013 #750 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I don't think the anticipation is as high as you think. I bet the vast majority of TiVo owners don't even know the Mini is in the works, let alone have an opinion on how much it should cost. This forum is a microcosm of opinionated enthusiast. While you may be right that it flops due to price I don't think there is going to be as big of a sigh of disappointment as you may think.

    Dan
     
  11. Jan 31, 2013 #751 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    True and good luck explaining the difference between Tivo to Tivo streaming, streaming video from Netflix, streaming content from a Tivo Stream to an Apple device, and streaming (sharing?) with a Mini with a 4 tuner Tivo box.

    I think Tivo has painted themselves into a corner with all the streaming talk with arbitrary limitations every extension of the standard Tivo box. It's no longer just easy--it's a confusing nightmare that I could not imagine explaining to parent/grandparent/non-technology person. Hopefully, Tivo will head back to making tv EASY to use.
     
  12. Jan 31, 2013 #752 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I think these are all small, proof of concept, steps toward an ultimate goal. The ultimate goal being a unit with 6 tuners that has the Stream's abilities built in, support for multiple Mini's spread around the house, and a user profile system where multiple people can use the same TiVo with custom SPs, My Shows, etc...

    Dan
     
  13. Jan 31, 2013 #753 of 1620
    crxssi

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    I didn't get that flavor/impression from his posting, but that is true... one would lose live TV. I don't remember what live TV is, or why someone would want it, though.
     
  14. Jan 31, 2013 #754 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I haven't watched live TV in over 10 years, but for some people it's still important.

    Dan
     
  15. Jan 31, 2013 #755 of 1620
    crxssi

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    But TiVo's competition isn't only from "Stand Alone Cable DVR appliances". They are also competing with MS-Windows home media center and the Home Run devices on the DVR+cable and streaming side, and countless cheap devices on the streaming-only side.

    And their biggest competition are cable company provided boxes, which continue to get better and better and cheaper and more functional all the time.

    Plus if they are not careful, someone could come in and blow them away with something radically better in the stand-alone market. There are still incentives for TiVo to continue to innovate, add features, improve the platform, and keep prices reasonable.
     
  16. Jan 31, 2013 #756 of 1620
    atmuscarella

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    Tivo competes with what you mention like a motorcycle compete with a car. The streaming features while useful in marketing are really becoming irrelevant everything does it and no one is going to pay for a DVR unless they want a DVR getting streaming other places is too easy and to cheap. While HTPCs and HD Home Run tuners are great (and I have one) it is an even smaller niche market than the one for a stand alone DVR appliance. While I like my HTPC just fine it has all the same issues as Tivo, plus all the issues of a PC, and no support. not what very many people are looking.
    They may cost less in some place but here with TWC their DVR costs $20/mo more than a cable card so it takes less than 3 years for a Premiere with lifetime to be cheaper. In any event I do agree that cable DVRs are the number one alternative to a Tivo and I don't know how Tivo really competes with them.
    I hope so but I wouldn't hold my breath.
     
  17. Jan 31, 2013 #757 of 1620
    Arcady

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    People who live in places with things like WEATHER need to know what is going on, LIVE. Don't blame us because you moved to the first place where all life will die when the power goes out.
     
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    innocentfreak

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    Amazingly enough my tablet and cell phone get weather alerts.
     
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    Arcady

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    Really? Wow, that's amazing. I never heard of that.

    Sorry, but the internet dies before live TV when the weather is bad. The cellphone signal dies before live TV. The TiVo on a UPS keeps working.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2013 #760 of 1620
    innocentfreak

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    Must be your crappy ISP.
     

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