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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Jan 25, 2013 #701 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    IP clients would be great, but like was mentioned by another poster, I don't see this money making machine being voluntarily abandoned by cable companies. It is a cash cow.

    Also, I admit I'm not an Apple devotee, but I feel like I can objectively state that Apple will not crack the TV market as many people hope they will do. The content providers and service providers like money and don't want to share it with Apple. Allowing Apple access to this market would be like gifting them billions of dollars with little benefit to them. They have zero incentive to offer Apple access to their very lucrative market.
     
  2. Jan 25, 2013 #702 of 1620
    davezatz

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    It wasn't just that it came with cost, but it sucked in general and was inferior to (the free) Media Center. Also, I think some of the intent had been a way to expand internationally, but obviously the uptake was abysmal enough that they let it die. TiVo probably didn't care too much as they still got paid by Nero in some form and their brand wasn't really hurt. Kinda like the Comcast Motorola TiVo - they got paid for the R&D despite it sucking and being ****canned. Although they lost out on whatever subscriber deal they may have had in place.
     
  3. Jan 25, 2013 #703 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    TWC has claimed that STBs are on their way out and that they don't make any money on them. If that's true, why aren't others on the bandwagon to give us a way forward without them? And if they're going to go all-IP as they claim, why do we need their gateways other than for non-IP enabled TVs? Why can't we just stream what we want from their servers?

    http://www.fiercecable.com/story/set-top-box-dead-long-live-home-gateway/2011-05-02
    http://stopthecap.com/2012/08/02/ti...p-network-channel-realignment-dvrbox-changes/
     
  4. Jan 25, 2013 #704 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    STB will go away but not the home gateway. You can bet they will charge and charge for that device.

    They want to maximize their profits so they will do whatever is in their best interests. If they can find a way to keep or expand their profits while giving alternatives an opening then they will.
     
  5. Jan 26, 2013 #705 of 1620
    lessd

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    If the Mercedes makes money it is not because the car can drive you 100 miles as many other less expensive cars can also do that, its the experience of the Mercedes that sells this car, as a side note I have one (2003 S430) and I love it, my friend got the new 2013 high end Cadillac MLP $60,000, and today I would not pay $50,000 more for the equivalent new Mercedes I now have, as the Cadillac would be good enough (I not purchasing a new car in the near future so there may be other options for me when I do start looking).
     
  6. Jan 30, 2013 #706 of 1620
    pixelpusher220

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    This is the entire problem. The Tivo Mini does NOT HAVE A TUNER. It is using a tuner from the main Tivo box, on which I have ALREADY paid my fee.

    Why on earth would a 'dumb' client like the Mini require a monthly fee? It's not like Mini has a tuner and is recording onto the Tivo is it?

    If it is, they're doing it wrong. Those situations would justify a 2nd Tivo, but clients to consume media don't need tuners, their source is the tuner.
     
  7. Jan 30, 2013 #707 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    Your reasoning really doesn't matter. The Mini will obviate the need for multiple Tivos in a household. Tivo will charge SOMETHING to make up for this loss.
     
  8. Jan 30, 2013 #708 of 1620
    pixelpusher220

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    If they were intelligent they would sell the Mini's as a loss leader to sell more big expensive Premiere boxes.

    The loss is Media Center's cheap client solution and then they sell zero Tivos...
     
  9. Jan 30, 2013 #709 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    Exactly!!
     
  10. Jan 30, 2013 #710 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I don't think there is enough profit in a Premiere box for that to work. In fact I'm pretty sure the Premiere hardware is already subsidized so that they don't even break even until after a year of service payments.

    I don't know why everyone is getting so bent out of shape about the prospect of a service fee. For all we know a Mini with lifetime could cost $100. Probably not, but the point is we don't know so there is no reason to get upset about it now.

    Dan
     
  11. Jan 30, 2013 #711 of 1620
    crxssi

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    Because it sends a clear signal that this is not positioned as the accessory for a Premiere that makes a Premiere more desirable and competitive. It is just another product that has to provide enough profit on its own because they think they will be losing out on an additional Premiere sale.

    We don't have to know the price to know the "attitude" or "flavor" of the offering. Combined with the ridiculous 4 tuner requirement, it is obvious that people like me are being shut out. It also doesn't help that TiVo is dragging this out forever.
     
  12. Jan 30, 2013 #712 of 1620
    jano18

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    I want a mini so I don't have to pay Comcast $89.40 a year for the discounted additional outlet fee to use the TiVo in my bedroom. If they charge $100 for lifetime it would be almost a wash for me after a year if it is $200 then 2 years, etc. To not have a subscription fee would be great, but we all should have known that would never happen. Once the dynamic tuner allocation is released it will make more sense to prospective buyers. Having to sacrifice a tuner on my XL4 will suck until this is a reality or a six tuner is released. I just hope they release it within the next couple months.
     
  13. Jan 30, 2013 #713 of 1620
    jano18

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    My guess is they will charge half the subscription price for the Mini, $7.50 a month or $250 for lifetime. If you are a current subscriber they will give you a 20% discount on the lifetime fee or $200. My guess on the hardware cost would be similar to the Stream $130-$150. So I think their marketing pitch will be the cost savings of the Mini with their discounted subscription & the cost savings of not having to pay your provider for additional outlets, cable cards &/or tuning adapters. If I wasn't being charged monthly by Comcast for an outlet fee, I'd just keep my 2 tuner Premiere w/PLS & not sacrifice anything. I just hate paying Comcast anymore money that I will never see again. At least with a TiVo with PLS you can recoup most of your expenses if you decide to part ways.
     
  14. Jan 30, 2013 #714 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    $350-$400 for a box with no tuner, no hard drive, that does nothing but play back TiVo recordings in another room and allow for the theft of a tuner from the main TiVo? A box that won't have as many online premium services as a $50 Roku?

    If they do that they are idiots.
     
  15. Jan 30, 2013 #715 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I'm betting it's gonna be more like $250-$300 with lifetime. He may be right on the prices for the service fees but I'm betting the initial hardware price is lower. For the Stream there is no fee so they have to make money on the hardware. If they treat the Mini like a regular TiVo then they will subsidize the hardware and make up the money on the subscription. You can get a full blown Premiere for $100 from Amazon. If they charge more then that for a Mini then it will be DOA.

    Dan
     
  16. Jan 30, 2013 #716 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    We will see (at this rate in July).
     
  17. Jan 30, 2013 #717 of 1620
    jano18

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    I hope that they will charge somewhere between $50-$100 for the hardware, that will definitely make it more worth it to ditch my 2 tuner. Especially since I only paid $60 for a brand new 320GB Premiere during their last sale. I am looking at the long terms savings of the Mini plus PLS & being able to recoup most of what I spent on my Premiere. I originally thought like most how can they charge a subscription fee for a device that is borrowing from a device I already paid a subscription for? But I get it, all of the other providers don't give you companion boxes for free. You may get a promo deal but you will be paying for them one way or another or sooner than later.
     
  18. Jan 30, 2013 #718 of 1620
    CoxInPHX

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    I'm betting $250-$300 w/ Lifetime, $150-$200 when purchased with a new Premiere 4 or XL4 Bundle
     
  19. Jan 30, 2013 #719 of 1620
    moyekj

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    For anything over $200 w/ Lifetime I won't be jumping on it anytime soon (and I'm guessing initial price will be >= $250 w/Lifetime). Let others debug all the issues and wait for about 6 months or so for the price to drop to ~ $150 range. I've got a lifetime S3 OLED I could sell and apply money towards Lifetime for an unsubbed Premiere unit I have lying around that seems like a better option if Mini is priced that high. Even without cablecard a real Premiere unit could still do everything and more than a Mini with no monthly fees to cable company.
     
  20. Jan 30, 2013 #720 of 1620
    jano18

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    Comcast charges me $9.95 for an additional outlet for my second TiVo & gives me a $2.50 credit for customer owned equipment. Over time this will add up to hundreds of $ I'd rather not give them & never get back. That is the only reason I would even consider the Mini. Otherwise I only have $500 invested in my Premiere with PLS & a 3 year warranty. Not a big price difference between what we are projecting the Mini to cost with PLS.
     

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