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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.
Can we purchase a Tivo Mini yet?
If not, then is there an official release date yet?
No one knows. It hasn't really been officially announced.
We're about due for some information...
Spring is the latest "date" we have. No price yet.
Still nothing? Unbelievable.
It has been five months since Tivo issued a formal press release that this product was forthcoming -- FIVE FREAKING MONTHS!!!
At the very least Tivo could give us an update on this.
I mean seriously, what technology issues a formal product statement but then goes completely silent for this long?
My love/hate feelings for Tivo continue on.......
8 months if you count its appearance at The Cable Show last May where it was first shown.
Tivo showed the Mini at the Consumer Electronics Show two weeks ago. Most of the discussion is in this thread, so read back a couple pages. But here is a link to Engadget's coverage:
We learned (and can see from the video) that it basically has the same Premiere interface. There will be a reduced monthly fee or lifetime option. We don't know what those are officially.
The RUMOR (and strictly rumor) is that it might be $8/mo and be released in the late March/early April period. No rumors about the lifetime option though. (and yes, some of us are pitching a fit over the fee.)
Many folks would go to TiVo if they could outfit our houses without all these montly fees. I do not see the value proposition.
The TiVo folks need to get out of the building.
They think the only choice for those in the TiVo universe is this or our big box. Too bad the do not concentrate on big central hubs and support DLNA.
That way they stream directly to your bedroom TV without a box.
Oh yeah, that would be solving your problem, not theirs.
TiVo has changes focus in recent years. These days they're focusing more on what they can sell to cable operators. The retail market is secondary. MSOs want a whole house solution with a single box to record and streaming boxes to place around the house. Something they can easily bundle and charge a monthly fee for. That's the primary focus of the Mini and the 4 tuner TiVo boxes. This is evidenced more by the recent TiVo survey which was almost entirely focused on how they might implement multiple users into the TiVo box.
That is fine.
I wonder who is interested in the customers desires.
They asked me to participate in a survey.
I know I told them no monthly fee.
Do you think anyone did?
Why bother asking...
Sometimes outside forces make business decisions rather then customer desire. TiVo is now in the unique position where they have to try to not compete with their MSO partners. They have to consider that when pricing things now.
Well apparently some people must like monthly fees/payments as not everyone buys lifetime and in the world outside of Tivo people buy lots of things on a monthly payment. Tivo gives people a choice pay once or pay monthly. Complaining about having that choice seems pretty foolish.
The main issue I see with the mini & pricing is people want it to be cheaper than it is likely going to be. Same is true for Tivo's DVRs in general. In the end everyone gets to decide how to spend their money if they don't think a Tivo DVR or the up coming mini is worth the cost then the answer is simple don't buy one.
I also think they have decided that stand alone DVRs are a niche product not a potential high volume mass market product and are pricing according. If the market is really only a few hundred thousand a year the price has to be substantially different than if the market were a few million a year or 10s of millions per year.
That's very true. They are also being more conservative with pricing these days and not subsidizing hardware as much, or at all, compare to the old days.
Nobody likes monthly fees, but lifetime service is fairly expensive. There's also a risk of some of it going to waste if the box fails.
The risk of a new TiVo going bad within the time that monthly would pay off the lifetime cost is very small, and for $39 you bring the risk to 0. To purchase a old TiVo, say a series 2 or even a series 3 without Lifetime with the intension of putting Lifetime on that box, you point is well taken. Having said that I will guess that 99.8% of TiVos going bad are the hard drive, that easy and not to costly to replace, to keep your Lifetime going.
The TiVo mini is equivalent to an AppleTV or Roku. A monthly fee is really silly since it's pulling all of the content, guide, and tuners from your main TiVo. That really turns me off the product. Hopefully they'll really nail the product and pricing, but a monthly fee for it, even if reduced, makes me uncertain.
Yet they have no qualms hiring Tim Teebo or airing TV commercials. Something that wouldn't be necessary if marketing solely to cable companies.
In the TiVo world, they have a value proposition and basically they are saying, if don't like it don't buy it.
In the marketplace, there are other choices as you point out.
Failure to understand this, leads to declining market share.
What makes this disturbing, is that many TiVo fans like me want to see TiVo get relevant in the market place. But, it looks like that is not happening.
I tried to get my brother to switch to TiVo but he did the math.
Even with cable companies they are selling (renting) TiVo as a premim option. And they need name recognition to make that happen. That's why they air TV commercials and have Tim Tebo as their spokeman.
This is what a lot of people here have heartburn with - Tivo will not price the Mini according to what we perceive it is worth hardware and software-wise, but according to what they can justify to their cable partners.
And there's no technical reason why it couldn't just be an app that runs on any device that can handle an mpeg2 stream out there today (Xbox, PS3 etc.). I'm not sure if the Roku could handle that.