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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Jan 10, 2013 #621 of 1620
    davezatz

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    The official PR line seemed to be they're still working on pricing and that it would represent a cost savings over a full fledged DVR. Ben may not have even processed what was said on the video, because he didn't point out the subscription fee or Lifetime option and reinforced the PR spiel which I was also planning to convey... until I saw his video. I assume they didn't intend to discuss it publicly in this level of detail several months out.

    I don't think Megazone or Verge have posted yet, but I ran into Nilay and Chris Ziegler in the booth (along with some others) and MZ told me he had an appointment set up.
     
  2. Jan 10, 2013 #622 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    Thanks for the added info. It seems like this is going to be a "late" spring release at best, and it's a huge disappointment that even after these delays it will not have dynamic tuner allocation at launch. Hopefully TiVo realizes this and prices accordingly.
     
  3. Jan 10, 2013 #623 of 1620
    rainwater

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    Very few of those have XL4 models already which is a requirement. TiVo has made it clear the last few years that the MSO market is their main focus not the SA market. Again, they obviously are going to try to sell these as a bundle so new users even in the SA market will be the focus.
     
  4. Jan 11, 2013 #624 of 1620
    socrplyr

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    Should be drive, not buffer. Buffer typically refers not currently used information in a stream of data. Any buffers for this type of device type will be DRAM (and the Mini will probably have 256MB-1GB of it in addition to the flash).

    That wasn't an SSD for the camera, it was basically just flash chips on a stick (flash card, probably an SD card). SSD would be a drive. There are other electronics needed to read a flash chip. Now they may be build into the SoC used by Tivo, but the flash cards that you purchase for a camera are some of the cheapest and lowest quality available. That said the chips/electronics used by Tivo are probably in the $1 range like you said, but could be up to $2/$3.

    For all adding up the prices of parts, remember that cost for this type of product would probably have to be 4 or more times the sum total of the parts. There are engineering costs, licensing costs, packaging costs, marketing costs, retail cuts, etc. Then whatever is left is "profit." Tivo isn't particularly high volume, so to actually make a decent return on investment the per unit profit needs to be high.
     
  5. Jan 11, 2013 #625 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    You are over thinking this. My company builds lots of boxes that use a simple CF card as a "hard drive" for the purposes of running Linux and using the storage space for SWAP, etc.... this is for running embedded telecomm appliances that have to work 24/7 365 days a year. Some of these have been in operation now for five years and they are still working fine, even with a cheap off-the-shelf CF card and card reader built into the motherboard.

    It's highly likely that all TiVo is doing is using cheap surface mounted chips for this purpose.
     
  6. Jan 11, 2013 #626 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    I understand the MSO market is their main focus. However, unless they plan to shut down retail market they need to make money on it now and in the future.

    As an existing customer with 3 Tivos (2 Premieres and 1 HD; all 2 tuners), I will upgrade if it makes financial sense to do so (save on cablecards, electrical power) and it simplifies my daily life (not managing multiple box season passes, transferring/streaming shows between boxes, remembering which reecording is on which box, etc). I'll bite if it makes sense.
     
  7. Jan 11, 2013 #627 of 1620
    L David Matheny

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    If TiVo abandons the OTA retail market they are fools, because (1) that market is growing and (2) that would make them only a captive supplier of component boxes at pretty much whatever price the cable companies dictate.
     
  8. Jan 11, 2013 #628 of 1620
    rainwater

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    There's very little evidence to say the OTA market is growing very much. The fact that OTA is not a viable alternative to most Americans doesn't make it a huge potential market.
     
  9. Jan 11, 2013 #629 of 1620
    rainwater

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    Not necessarily. It seems lately the SA market is sort of TiVo's test bed and the MSO market is where their main focus for revenue is.
     
  10. Jan 11, 2013 #630 of 1620
    jamesjones_det

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    This highly depends on the quality of flash required, if you are doing several writes and clears of all cache your going to want something higher grade then a jump drive flash module.

    Either way your talking less then $5 for 2GB of flash, unless they are doing something crazy like SLC then it's in the $8 range. Not matter what this is a minor cost of the product.
     
  11. Jan 11, 2013 #631 of 1620
    jamesjones_det

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    Premiere 4 was/is also listed.
     
  12. Jan 11, 2013 #632 of 1620
    wco81

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    Well, I was looking to see what they were going to do with this but if as speculated, the Mini has some ridiculous price, I guess I'd have to stay with D* and try to get them to give me a Genie and Whole Home DVR install.

    First the XL4 is like $900 with lifetime? And if they charge another $300 for basically a terminal, they're not going to get many takers.
     
  13. Jan 11, 2013 #633 of 1620
    jamesjones_det

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    Careful with the Genie, I just left DTV for WOW. DTV still charges you $6 per TV even if you have a RVU capable TV. If you have 4 rooms like me the Genie basically costs you $38 a month ($20 for Genie + 3 rooms at $6 each).

    I was actually paying less with 2 HR-21s and 2 HD receivers and the old $3 fee for "whole home support" - $31 ($10 "advanced receivers" aka 2 dvrs + 3 rooms at $6 + $3 for whole home).
     
  14. Jan 11, 2013 #634 of 1620
    wco81

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    What is WOW?

    Yeah if I can get a good promo deal from Comcast, it may offset the up-front Tivo price.
     
  15. Jan 11, 2013 #635 of 1620
    CoxInPHX

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    What is an SA market? What does SA stand for? I typically think of Scientific Atlanta.
     
  16. Jan 11, 2013 #636 of 1620
    CoxInPHX

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    SullyND

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    Stand-Alone.
     
  18. Jan 11, 2013 #638 of 1620
    atmuscarella

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    I believe SA = stand alone but what is being talk about are DVRs purchased by individuals from 3rd parties versus DVRs provided by their pay tv provider
     
  19. Jan 12, 2013 #639 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    Scientific Atlanta (now Cisco) STB market is the correct usage, not standalone. Way too confusing to use SA otherwise.
     
  20. Jan 12, 2013 #640 of 1620
    atmuscarella

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    Ya I find many typing shortcuts confusing as there are no correct usage rules. You and CoxInPHX thought SA was short for Scientific Atlanta but rainwater, SullyND, and myself understood it to mean Stand Alone in the context that rainwater used it in. I have seen plenty of posts using it both ways.
     

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