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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.
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Agreed with other complainers
This seems to be a total cluster f**k at least with respect to what has been reported as to how it will work out of the box. This is what I want:
- 4 tuner tivo connected to the living room tv (to replace my current dual 2 tuner tivo setup) so that I only have a single outlet fee associated (comcast sucker here)
- tivo mini in the home theater so that I can stream any recording from the 4 tuner tivo and, on occasion, watch live tv WITHOUT having to permanently remove that tuner from the pool of recordable tuners.
- ditto for our other TV in the office.
- one time cost for the mini itself.
As I understand it I would only have 2 tuners available to record on the 4 tuner box (if I want to watch live tv on the minis). I'm skeptical of the promised "dynamic tuner allocation"... been burned before by promises of "future features" with Tivo that never delivered.
If the mini fees/lifetime are associated with guide data why couldn't the mini pull the guide data from the host tivo (or does the fact that it displays guide data at all incur the fees from the guide data provider)?
I keep this short and succinct: Anything more than $250 including hardware and "Lifetime Service" and they can GTFO.
Also the idea that some OTT video providers won't be available is a bit mind-boggling to me. License schmicense, if Roku can do it at a $50 price point and no monthly fees, then why can't you TiVo?
well I'm about done waiting. Going to try and figure out some other way to spend the money i had set aside for a mini. What a mess.
People would be foolish to buy these things at launch. unless the lifetime service or monthly fees are extremely cheap they will likely sell 6. (yes 6). At that point they will get rid of the subscription fee and anyone who paid it will get a worthless apology gift. Remember $99 HMO on the series 2?
They already know the problems of trying to sell DVR's with a monthly fee, why not just bundle the lifetime fee in the price? Unless they plan the MSRP + lifetime to be so high so they think it best to break it apart. If so see my prediction of 6 above- lol.
Why should the Mini cost more than the Stream? If the Mini comes in at more than $129 then Tivo can take a hike.
They mentioned hulu and Xfinity On Demand for OTT content so I'm sure it supports Netflix as well.
The Stream does much less and has no remote. Even so, as has been said, Roku can put out a 1080P HD set-top streaming device with motion control remote, wifi, ethernet, micro SD slot, bluetooth, and usb for under $100 with no "fees", so why can't TiVo?
ATTENTION TiVo: if you can't figure out how to make something people want and without fees and stupid artificial limitations, then give up on selling additional hardware and just add streaming support for THIRD PARTY DEVICES LIKE THE ROKU.
A theoretical Roku with a "real" full remote, native mpeg2 playback plus license, a licensed EPG, and MoCA would likely push closer to $150. Just sayin', a price equal to a Roku isn't likely for practical reasons.
Just the opposite for me. One is most definitely in my future, and if/when a six tuner TiVo comes out I will get a second one. It will be nice to get rid of at least one cable card. That is a $4 a month savings for me.
I plan to get a Mini the first day they are available at BestBuy.
Of course it probably won't be out until June.
Unless they can beat the $6.95/mo plus $2/mo cablecard fee I am paying for my third Premiere, I will have no reason to buy this thing.
The only way I can see a subscription option making sense is if the cost of the unit is practically nothing. For instance, if it's $50 with a 1/year contract at $10/mo, or $100 lifetime. If the hardware cost is $100+ I don't see how a subscription could be viable.
If, however, TiVo opened up to other STBs, and charged a subscription fee I could see that work (i.e. $10/mo to turn your Roku into a Mini).
You think that soon? I was figuring, if we're lucky, by next Christmas at best, but only if the planets align, world hunger ends, alien life is discovered on Mars, and a partridge in a pear tree.
If you're using the Mini to watch live TV, wouldn't it be handy to know what's actually on the different channels?
The amount of time from announcement to launch and then the results of the final execution are in my opinion why Tivo fails to thrive. If it weren't for its successful patent litigation this company would be finished.
No, I also saw/photographed that same Mini yesterday and it's paired with what I assume is the original Slide.
The fact that the TiVo marketing person clearly says in the engadget video that it will have a monthly fee with an option for lifetime but will be "less" than a full TiVo just shows that TiVo does not get it. We don't want monthly fees and subscriptions on every damn thing in the house. The Mini should be priced like the stream, where it's an appliance that you buy once and that's it.
At this point I suspect that they will price it higher than the 2 tuner premiere and then try to justify it by charging a lower monthly fee and/or lower lifetime.
TiVo, you don't f@cking get it!
The other irritation is that they also said maximum of two Minis per Premiere. Why should there be a limitation like that if you only want to use the Mini to watch recordings?
Urgh. So flipping annoyed with TiVo marketing morons.
Very disappointing news. I was hoping the mini would be priced to enhance sales of the 4 tuner series 4 boxes. Looks like that may not be the case.
I have been seeing a lot of comments like these, and they make me laugh. You are right Tivo doesn't get it, but you are wrong on how they misunderstand their audience. They thought their audience could put two and two together. Apparently not. Lifetime service is exactly what you are saying they don't have. Last time I checked it wasn't monthly and is only paid once. At this point there is no information really about cost so you can't say to much about that at this point.
Other things to think about:
I agree with you that I have little interest in products that have monthly fees (especially such small ones, which probably make not sense compared to the full priced options). Others however don't necessarily work that way. I bet the full stats on number of lifetime vs monthly subs would probably surprise us.
Also, remember that Tivo hasn't really been that successful in the retail market. By splitting the cost out between the box price and the serve (even if you just say Box+Lifetime), probably means that they get to keep more of the money. If the Premiere was $650 with lifetime at the store, I bet the store would get to keep a much larger chunk of money than paying $150 to the store and $500 to Tivo.
TiVo clearly doesn't care about the retail market... they are building this solution for MSOs...retail is just a beta use case. which would explain their complete lack of demonstrating or showcasing this on the show floor at CES... and only doing a "nerd interview" with engadget behind closed doors.
I guess we should consider ourselves "lucky" that it's even going to be available at retail the way TiVo views the retail market does not appear to be favorable.
Say it all together now... TiVo wishes that the retail market would go away so they could just sell their boxes or software to MSOs.
Totally bummed about the details coming out regarding the Mini. As a owner of 2 TiVo Premiers (2 Tuner models) I had hoped to add a Mini to the bedroom just to watch recorded shows from my other TiVo's. I have ZERO desire to watch Live TV, as I NEVER watch Live TV anymore, thanks to having TiVo for 10+ years.
I do not see why the Mini cannot be setup as a streaming only device to work with 2 Tuner TiVo Premieres. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Add on top a monthly fee/Lifetime fee??? WTF are they thinking? Any other rumors regarding the TiVo Stream working with Roku or AppleTV devices? If so, I'll gladly give my $$ to those companies to have the ability to easily stream to another TV.
-Frustrated TiVo Fan...