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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Aug 21, 2012 #21 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Not sure if you're asking rhetorically or not, but if not, I tried to explain their logic in the previous post. I understand what you're saying completely though. I kind of wish they'd say "Live TV streaming coming soon" and release it to everybody instead of cramming in a half-baked solution before it's ready, but that was the state of things the last time we've gotten any info.
     
  2. Aug 21, 2012 #22 of 1620
    magnus

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    Tivo Mini ... sounds like they will soon be Apple. Just a matter of time.
     
  3. Aug 21, 2012 #23 of 1620
    don129

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    Looks interesting
     
  4. Aug 22, 2012 #24 of 1620
    LifeIsABeach

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    I have the RCN version of the TiVo Q as well as what they call a Preview box. Not sure if this is what they are now calling the Mini, but if it is:

    1. The Q has 4 tuners. The Preview has its own tuner. However, you cannot pause, rewind, etc live tv on it. There is no buffer on the Preview. You also cannot see the 4 tuners on the Q (unless they are recording since they will then be in your My Shows list).

    2. For some reason you cannot set something to record on the Preview and have it record on the Q. It can only be done on the Q. I downloaded the TiVo app on my Kindle Fire so that if I am watching the Preview and see something I want to record I can do it there.

    At the beginning of the summer someone on here said these issues would be fixed by an end-of-summer update. Well, I got the update and they have not been fixed. They also added an error message if you try to hit pause on the Preview saying this is not availble in live tv which makes me think it may never work. The only things in the "update" were changes to the hd menus which I don't use because they are so slow and for some reason they took the seconds off the back-door onscreen clock and added an am/pm indicator.

    Hopefully the Mini will be an improved version of the Preview and not have these problems.
     
  5. Aug 22, 2012 #25 of 1620
    tivoknucklehead

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    is this device more like a slingcatcher or a slingbox?
    can I stream my Tivo shows to my ipad outside my home like I can with my slingbox, or only inside my home like my slingcatcher?
     
  6. Aug 22, 2012 #26 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    The Preview is a different box than the Mini. The Mini should replace the Preview since the Mini will be a lower cost box. There is no cable card or tuner on the mini.
     
  7. Aug 22, 2012 #27 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The Tivo Mini will stream content to televisions.

    The Tivo Stream (a different product) will stream content to portable devices, but not outside the house.
     
  8. Aug 22, 2012 #28 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The Preview is different, as aaron explained. The Mini is strictly a streaming device, while the Preview is a full-blown non-recording STB.

    The software update RCN customers just received was actually the spring update we got in May, so you were a little behind us. The summer/fall update yet to come will let the Preview (and the upcoming Mini) interact more with the Q/Elite/P4/XL4. You'll most likely get that update much more quickly than you got the spring update. :)
     
  9. Aug 22, 2012 #29 of 1620
    crxssi

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    But I believe you must have a TiVo Stream to use the TiVo mini, no? At least, that would make sense to me. They they would incorporate the TiVo Stream functionality in the next TiVo (Series 5?)

    To me, the Preview is a ridiculous device that was doomed to fail. It is far too complex and most TiVo owners have no interest in watching "live TV", so why would they want to pay a lot of extra up-front AND monthly costs for a local, non-recording tuner?
     
  10. Aug 22, 2012 #30 of 1620
    sbiller

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    The TiVo Stream is not required for the Mini. The Mini essentially provides nearly the same functionality as the Preview at a much lower price point without the hassle of CableCARD. The Mini can decode MPEG-2 and H.264 so the Stream is not required for its transcoding capabilities.
     
  11. Aug 22, 2012 #31 of 1620
    nrc

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    Whether the Mini replaces the Preview remains to be seen. It will depend on what the MSOs want. Not all MSOs may want to have the Mini claiming a tuner.
     
  12. Aug 22, 2012 #32 of 1620
    nrc

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    The Preview wasn't created for TiVo owners. It was created for cable companies that wanted such a device. Having a tuner in the device eliminates the need to dedicate a tuner from the Q. I suspect some MSOs will stick with the Preview until that limitation is removed from the Mini.
     
  13. Aug 22, 2012 #33 of 1620
    tomhorsley

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  14. Aug 22, 2012 #34 of 1620
    crxssi

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    But the Mini doesn't HAVE to "claim a tuner".... (at least not in theory) only if you want to watch live TV, which I am guessing most people don't care about.

    True
     
  15. Aug 22, 2012 #35 of 1620
    nrc

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    In a perfect world where products work ideally at release maybe. But all sources I've read indicate that on the first release the Mini will require a tuner from the Q/4 to be dedicated to it whether you're watching live or not.
     
  16. Aug 22, 2012 #36 of 1620
    moyekj

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    In theory, yes. In practice I think it was mentioned in an earlier thread on the Mini that initial release will *REQUIRE* Elite/XL4/P4 to be available on your network to get past initial guided setup. Given that in initial implementation at least they are requiring Mini to be able to grab a tuner for live TV that's also why it's being restricted to 4 tuner units as hosts. Hopefully that won't be the case by release time but TiVo's track record for releasing something right from the start is in question the last few years.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2012 #37 of 1620
    aadam101

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    One of Tivo's biggest problems for years was that people didn't know what the heck a Tivo was for. After 12 years of being a Tivo, I can finally say I haven't heard the phrase "what's a Tivo?" in quite a long time.

    So naturally Tivo's solution to this is to come out with a bunch of new products that people won't understand. As happy as I am to have these things, I am having trouble keeping it all straight. There is the Preview, the Q, the Mini, Premiere, XL, XL4, the Stream, and an unnamed IP box. I suddenly feel like all of the people who have said "What's a Tivo" to me over the years.
     
  18. Aug 22, 2012 #38 of 1620
    rainwater

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    Only 2 of those products are available at retail so I don't see what is confusing. The others are available from cable MSOs and are sold as a whole home solution.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2012 #39 of 1620
    djwilso

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    Isn't the Mini the name for the "unnamed IP box"?
     
  20. Aug 22, 2012 #40 of 1620
    aadam101

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    I don't know. Maybe. I'm confused.
     

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