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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Oct 12, 2012 #261 of 1620
    Kingpcgeek

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    I can't use MoCA because my TV connections are behind an amplifier, and my cable modem connection is not. I use a couple of AV500 Ethernet over power adapters. The Stream and my TiVo think its a wired connection so the Stream works fine. I can stream a Blu-Ray rip over the connection so it is fast and stable enough for anything a TiVo would want to stream to a Mini.
     
  2. Oct 12, 2012 #262 of 1620
    tbielowicz

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    It will more than likely not have Wireless support just as the Stream does not. I guess the possible bandwidth, lag and/or connection issues would be the reason.

    MoCA will work on any Coax that can send a TV signal today, so they claim. Overall this is a great technology, but hasn't taken off since Ethernet powerline adapters seem to be more accepted. Not sure why.

    If the device is MOCA capable then you can connect right from the COAX to the unit (Mini, Premeir, etc...) You will need one adapter connected to your cable line and router. If you have MOCA enabled devices, no other adapters are needed.

    This link will explain.
    http://www.avsforum.com/t/1145636/actiontec-mi424wr-a-cheap-moca-bridge-for-all

    If you can get the Netgear units, MCAB1001, they seemed to be the best available but are discountinued.

    BTW - MOCA tends to be faster and more reliable than Ethernet over power lines. Plus you need an adapter at each device.
     
  3. Oct 12, 2012 #263 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    If MoCa does not pan out then Ethernet power adapters are probably the next best option. Worst case you can get an Ethernet to Wi-Fi gaming adapter and give it a try. Generally speaking wireless is not reliable enough for good streaming of HD video content.
     
  4. Oct 12, 2012 #264 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The Mini won't work wirelessly unless it's connected to a wireless bridge of some sort. I'd strongly recommend a wireless-N bridge if you had to go this route.

    Since the Mini and Premiere 4 both have built-in MoCA support, that is more ideal.

    In general terms, MoCA will work as long as your home's coax cabling all meets together with splitters. Chances are it does. The signal will go up and down the splitters and the boxes will find each other. If there is a signal amp somewhere in between the boxes, that would have to be removed or replaced with a new one that passes through MoCA signals.

    To light up your house with MoCA, you would install a MoCA adapter ($50 on Tivo's site) where your router and cable modem are located (there are instructions on how to connect the 3 together).

    I also always recommend using a POE (point of entry) filter if you use MoCA. They're $9 on Tivo's website. Place it before the house's main splitter to keep the MoCA signal strong and in your own home. No biggie if you know where the cable enters the home.
     
  5. Oct 12, 2012 #265 of 1620
    thyname

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    Thank you for your reply. I found this on Tivo's website:

    [media]http://www.tivo.com/assets/images/mytivo/howto/MoCA/2a.jpg[/media]

    It looks like I would only need one adapter at the bedroom where Mini will be located.

    All this assuming that my coax wiring is compatible with MoCA

    EDIT: The image link above gave the wrong chart. Here is the full link: http://www.tivo.com/mytivo/howto/moca.html?WT.z_links=moca_vanity

    Also, the above is if I get a new Premier 4. Those come with built-in MoCA bridge support.

    AND, if the Mini comes with built-in MoCA support, just like the Premiere 4, no MoCA adapter will be needed!
     
  6. Oct 12, 2012 #266 of 1620
    Jonathan_S

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    I believe the info that was released is that the Mini does come with built-in MoCa support. However, unlike the Premier 4/4XL, it will not act like a MoCa bridge.

    So you could use the Premiere 4 to bridge from ethernet to MoCa, then connect the Mini via MoCa. (The only thing you couldn't do it hook up other ethernet devices near the Mini to its ethernet port to get them on your network)
     
  7. Oct 12, 2012 #267 of 1620
    thyname

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    So, would I need a MoCA adapter to hook my Mini in my bedroom or not?

    I am assuming no adapter is needed where the Premiere 4 is located (close to the cable modem and router)
     
  8. Oct 12, 2012 #268 of 1620
    Dan203

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    Not for the mini itself. However if you have other IP based devices in the bedroom then they would require a MoCa adapter because the Mini does not function as a bridge. The Premiere 4 however does function as a bridge so you can connect it to a MoCa network and connect other devices to it's Ethernet connection and it will convert the data between the two.

    Dan
     
  9. Oct 12, 2012 #269 of 1620
    Jonathan_S

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    No, from what we've been told, the Mini doesn't need a seperate MoCa adaptor.

    You'd only need an adaptor in the bedroom if you had some additional ethernet device there that you wanted to connect over MoCa.
    Edit: Or what Dan said. (Didn't refresh and see his post before replying)
     
  10. Oct 12, 2012 #270 of 1620
    thyname

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    Thank you all for your knowledgeable replies and information!

    It looks like the solution for me would be to get the Premiere 4 ( I currently have the two-tuner Premiere) and the Mini for my bedroom. Happy to learn that the purchase of a MoCA adapter is not required in this setup. I need the 4 tuners anyway.

    Thanks again!
     
  11. Oct 12, 2012 #271 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    :eek::eek::D:D That's not going to happen :)
     
  12. Oct 12, 2012 #272 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I guess if i have any problems I'll still have a 60 day return period at Best Buy. I never had any issues with my Hava HD, so hopefully the SlingBox 350 will work well too. I certainly would hate to return it after having to buy the tablet and phone app.
     
  13. Oct 12, 2012 #273 of 1620
    Dan203

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    If you're main purpose is to stream inside the home then I'd hold out for the Android app and get a Stream. I don't think you'll be happy with the performance of the Slingbox for local streaming.

    Dan
     
  14. Oct 12, 2012 #274 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    really? How bad is it? HAva HD worked great but it was only SD. But it streamed at up to 10Mb/s using MPEG2 over the local LAN to a PC. And to my phone and tablet it streamed at up to 1Mb/s using MPEG4 from the LAN as well as outside the home.

    So will the Slingbox have issues with that? I figured since the box is being released in 2012 and has a newer chipset that it should be more efficient than my HavaHD I got 3.5 years ago. Which I think actually came out in 2007. So the hardware design is over five years old now.
     
  15. Oct 12, 2012 #275 of 1620
    Dan203

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    Quality is OK, but the lag is really annoying. There is a good 5 second delay between what is actually playing on the TiVo and what you're seeing in the app. That makes instant replay basically useless. Because when you hit the IR button it takes a second to send the IR command, then it takes 6 seconds for you to catch up to where the TiVo actually was when the button was pressed and then it just jumps back to basically the same place you were when you pushed the button originally. So you have to get into the habit of always pressing it twice, and even then you still have the 5 second delay between pressing the button and seeing the results on screen. FF and RW are completely impossible to use because by the time you see the point you want the TiVo has already gone past it for 5 seconds at 3x. 30 second skip works OK, but again the lag can make it hard to get back to the start of a program if you over shoot. Not to mention you're tying up the TiVo, so if you have anyone else in the house they can't watch it.

    The Stream is digital so it knows where you are in the program regardless of how much has been buffered. So when you tell it to IR it tells the TiVo to seek back (currentposition)-8 and the seek happens immediately. (there is a slight 1/2 second lag, but it's not where near as bad as the Slingbox) And because it uses the MRS protocol it doesn't tie up the TiVo so you can watch something on the tablet even if it's located on a TiVo someone else is currently using.

    Dan
     
  16. Oct 12, 2012 #276 of 1620
    MichaelK

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    your join date doesn't indicate a newbie...

    Not sure then why you think a delay from Tivo means it wont be half baked?

    :)
     
  17. Oct 12, 2012 #277 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Heh. This is true. A delay wouldn't necessarily guarantee the dynamic tuner thing will be fixed by launch (until we hear otherwise). ;)
     
  18. Oct 12, 2012 #278 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    That is the lag locally?? On the Hava HD that was the lag when remotely viewing but it was much less when viewing from the LAN.

    Anyway for me this isn't an issue since I don't normally rewind since it's something like the news in the background or a redskins game in the background. With the HavaHD if I used a PC, it can record the content as streaming so you can always back up if you want. Does the Sling allow you to record the content as streaming when using a PC.

    I really don't have the option of waiting since I want to use my current FireHD for more things. If TiVo would announce a date for Android support for the Stream, and it was by Thanksgiving, then I would wait. But if it ends up being 2013 then there is really no point for me to wait. Since I can get some use from the SLingBox now. Worst case I can return the SlingBOx 350 withing sixty days and I would have to eat the cost of the two apps I need for the tablets and the phone. Or I sell the SlingBox350 if it's that bad and continue using my HAva HD for outside the home and the Stream inside.

    There is no question though, if the Stream would have already had Android support, I would not even be considering Slingbox 350.
     
  19. Oct 13, 2012 #279 of 1620
    Dan203

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    The app itself does have it's own buffer, so you could use that. However the controls for it aren't very intuitive so it's not convenient. If you can't wait then try it and see for yourself. At least they lowered the price of the app to $15 so it's not quite as bad to get it working on all your devices. (I paid $30 for the iPad version last year)

    Dan
     
  20. Oct 15, 2012 #280 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I got the SLingbox 350 yesterday. The app for my cell and Kindle FireHD work very well. Unfortunately Amazon hasn't updated their tablet app so it seems the same as the cell phone app.

    The PC app sucks though. I tried it with both Chrome and Internet explorer on several PCs and it always had sync issues after a few minutes of playback. The HAvaHD never had those issues on the PC even though it's bitrates were still around 10mb/s.(but MPEG2 and SD)

    Another thing I didn't like about the Sling was that you could only stream to one device at a time, whether a PC or tablet or phone. With the Hava HD it could stream to one app or remote device and also stream to several PCs on the LAN concurrently.

    The Sling350 IR is nice since I don't need to use a blaster attached to a wire and I like how a guide comes up to change the channel. Which works well on the TiVo. As long as you don't have another TiVo in the room since it uses remote code zero.

    I would say overall the Slingbox 350 is nice. I just don't think it's really worth the $180 price. I only payed $65 for my HavaHD from Woot 3.5 years ago. That was a great deal.

    I do wish the stream would have been available for Android devices. No doubt the Stream would work best for local Playback. The 350 does excel with remote playback though from a tablet or phone. And the HavaHD excells with playback on a PC remotely and locally since it uses it's own program instead of a web browser for playback like the Sling Box 350 does.

    At least the 350 has a pass through for the inputs so I can still keep my HavaHD connected to the same TiVo with component and stereo cables.(Although mayby the HavaHD has this too? I haven't looked at the back of it it years)
     

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