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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Oct 11, 2012 #241 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I read somewhere that TiVo might hold off the consumer release of the Mini because of the whole live tuner XL4 requirement thing. Could have been blatant speculation, but it makes sense. The consumer confusion over it requiring an XL4 and having to actually steal the tuner for good, and not just when you're using the Mini, could get them a lot of bad press. They might be better served to just hold off until they work out dynamic tuner allocation and it works with all Premiere units.

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  2. Oct 11, 2012 #242 of 1620
    markp99

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    Dynamic tuner allocation :up: - I hope this becomes a reality, though I cannot say I have seen all 4 of my Tuners actually simultaneously recording scheduled content (i.e., non-suggestions stuff).
     
  3. Oct 11, 2012 #243 of 1620
    sbiller

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    It will become a reality. There is no doubt in my mind. Their competitors do it so they need it.
     
  4. Oct 11, 2012 #244 of 1620
    markp99

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    Right. They'd be limiting their potential user base to the subset of 4-tuner devices. Support for a 2-tuner TiVo with dynamic allocation would be a very good thing. Though, likelihood of conflict management could be a big deal.
     
  5. Oct 11, 2012 #245 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I pretty much agree with innocentfreak's assessment.

    Tivo hasn't said a peep publically about holding off until the dynamic tuner thing was resolved (I've been paying obsessive attention), so unless it came from an official channel or a beta source it's just speculation.

    I have to think getting it out before the holiday is a priority if at all possible. With the fall software still targeting mid-to-late October (as of 3 weeks ago), this gives them a window before hitting the Thanksgiving wall. Unless the Mini's own software is just not where it needs to be yet, and/or they reacted to the early feedback on the whole live TV tuner thing.

    6 weeks to Thanksgiving. Things will either start moving pretty soon, or potentially not at all until early 2013.
     
  6. Oct 11, 2012 #246 of 1620
    sbiller

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    You'll notice all the recent deal announcements (e.g. Mediacom) have an early 2013 timeframe. In my view its not a coincidence. I think we may see a launch of the Mini to one or two MSOs before the holidays but the general availability will be Q1-13.
     
  7. Oct 11, 2012 #247 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    That is true too, yes. But retail also got the Stream first, if that means anything at all (possibly not). And how much does the 2013 timing have to do with the Pace box availability rather than the Mini?

    History and circumstantial evidence points both ways making this tough to guess. But 2013 wouldn't be at all surprising... sadly, because BIGJIM WANT! :p
     
  8. Oct 12, 2012 #248 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    Do you think the Premiere 4 (non XL) would also be able to handle the mini requirement if there is one? I know my next Tivo will be one of the 4 tuner variety, but which one I get depends on the Mini requirements now and in the future.
     
  9. Oct 12, 2012 #249 of 1620
    cherry ghost

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    yes
     
  10. Oct 12, 2012 #250 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    I want this, like yesterday. Three of them in fact.

    I'm okay with one tuner being "stolen" for the bedroom Mini, the other ones would primarily be used for nothing other then streaming recorded shows.

    Here's to hoping this doesn't slip out past 2012.
     
  11. Oct 12, 2012 #251 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I wanted this yesterday too. Just like I wanted the Stream. But since they are dragging their feet with Android support for the Stream, I'll be picking up a Slingbox 350 on Sunday. Since TiVo doesn't want my money I'm sure Slingbox will take it.

    So I hope they don't drag their feet with the Mini as well. My only reason for getting the Mini is so I can dump one cable card and finally get down to only using two cable card. At one point I had eight of them.
     
  12. Oct 12, 2012 #252 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    It is odd that Android support is lagging. It's not 2009 anymore when the iPhone was still king of the hill. Support for the majority platform should be present at launch.

    Market share in the U.S. is:

    52% Android
    33% Apple
    10% Blackberry
    4% Microsoft.
     
  13. Oct 12, 2012 #253 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    I'm sure they want to bring support for Android devices... however it is far easier to develop apps for iOS than for Android... at my company the Android apps are taking far longer to develop and are much more challenging because of fragmentation of the Android platform. Our developers say, by comparison, that developing apps for iOS is a "breeze".

    So, Android will come it will just take a while. TiVo might also have market data that indicates that for THEIR customers, iOS is the majority platform.
     
  14. Oct 12, 2012 #254 of 1620
    Dan203

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    FYI a Slingbox isn't a good replacement for a Stream. A Slingbox is like a video cable that works over a network. It connects to the A/V ports on the TiVo and when you use it you hijack that TiVo completely. Also because of the way it buffers there is a huge lag on control that makes skipping commercials nearly impossible. The Stream is like having a Mini attached to an iPad. It streams the show digitally from the TiVo so it does not interrupt the original boxes operation and the controls are also all digital so skipping commercials works exactly as expected. (There is a slight lag due to the network, but it's minimal)

    For streaming inside the home the Stream is a MUCH better option. The only advantage to the Slingbox is it's ability to stream over the internet. Also don't forget the Stream has the ability to download shows as well. Although the utility of that depends on how abusive your cable provider is with the copy protection flag.

    Dan
     
  15. Oct 12, 2012 #255 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    Good luck with the Slingbox. I hardly ever use mine because the controls are very laggy and whenever I'm away from my home network the quality is extremely hit and miss.
     
  16. Oct 12, 2012 #256 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    I agree that Android support for Stream is coming, and I understand that developing for Android is more difficult than for iOS. However, there are Android developers that are experienced that can accomplish the development requirements of Tivo. It seems like it is more of a prioritization issue rather than finding skilled Android developers.


    You may be right. Targeting Apple products first may be a good strategy for keeping existing customers (that may have more Apple products), but if the goal is to expand their reach and gain new customers then it is a poor long-term strategy since the market share numbers indicate an important trend.
     
  17. Oct 12, 2012 #257 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I've been using a HavaHD for several years with good results. With the Slingbox 350 that will get me HD. So I already know what to expect. I don't use it often but when I do it comes in handy. For home use I'll have the redskins game on my tablet while I'm playing some Xbox 360. So with the Slingbox it will be in HD which should be a nice improvement. It should look goodon the fire HD. I wanted the Stream but I can't use it now so the Slingbox 350 is coming out at just the right time for me.
     
  18. Oct 12, 2012 #258 of 1620
    buscuitboy

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    I hope these new line of Slingboxes are better than the older ones. I had one and it was junk. I had similar lagging problems too. Sporadically worked within my home and had to always be reset to work. Initially, I couldn't get it to work outside my home either. I think it had to do with port forwarding within my home network's router, but I didn't have time to investigate it further so I just boxed it up & returned the whole unit for a refund.

    I have briefly looked into the Vulkano devices as an alternative to Slingbox. I wonder how much better/worse they are.
     
  19. Oct 12, 2012 #259 of 1620
    thyname

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    You are better off switching to iPhone or iPad and getting the Stream than keeping your Android and getting a slingbox!
     
  20. Oct 12, 2012 #260 of 1620
    thyname

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    Let us assume for a moment that Tivo Mini will NOT have wireless support. How do I know whether my coax cabling in the house supports MoCA? My home is built in 1987. Unfortunately I don't have an ethernet port in my bedroom.

    Assuming that I can have MoCA, I have read that the new Premiere 4 has Moca support built in. Does it mean that I simply need a MoCA adapter for the bedroom tv?
     

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