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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

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    dave13077

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    dave13077

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    and a cool contest so I am allowed to buy one... :)
     
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    compnurd

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    LOL yup!
     
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    Tony Chick

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    Hopefully it will be a similar price to Roku or Apple TV and not have a monthly subscription cost
     
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    moyekj

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    Monthly subscription = deal breaker for me
    Still need to know exactly how the tuner stealing for live TV is going to work. We heard before it was at least initially only going to work with Elite/XL4 units as hosts, at least for live TV functionality. Hopefully there will be option for no live TV so can be used for streaming and Netflix, etc. without live TV option stealing a tuner, and thus can work in conjunction with any series 4 hardware.
     
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    aaronwt

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    For me, I think greater than a $5 monthly subscription might be a deal breaker for me.(Although I say that, realistically I will probably get one no matter what they price it)

    Just switching out my one, two tuner, Premiere will save me $4 a month in cable card fees. That Premiere will then be used for OTA only. And I'll also use it to transfer content to watch when I carry the box to my GFs house when I visit.
     
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    daveak

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    I live in the GCI area and use them for internet and phone. I am OTA, but this looks interesting - compelling enough to attach myself to the cable cord once again? Not so sure.
     
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    shwru980r

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    I think if Tivo sells the IP-STB separately, then most of the sales will be to replace a second premiere and there won’t be any gain in revenue unless they charge a high price for the IP-STB.

    I could see them offering a discount on the IP-STB bundled with the purchase of a new XL4.

    I also think they are going to have to register the IP-STB on the customer’s account to restrict the streaming to only the Tivos on the customer’s account. I think Tivo is going to want to get paid some kind of additional fee for another device on the customer’s account.
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    At least initially, the Mini is effectively only an XL4 accessory anyway, so bundling won't really be necessary. But I could see them doing bundle deals too, sure.

    There will be some cannibalization of 2-tuner DVRs, but I think it's a net gain for them because I believe many more installations will go towards extending Tivo's reach in the house where Tivo was not able to access before. Many or most people aren't willing to invest another $500 or more in DVRs for each of those secondary and tertiary TVs. It's also a net gain since the MSOs will take a rental fee for it. It won't totally blow the lid off their financials either way, but this makes their story attractive to their MSO partners, which is a benefit to them, as the above GCI story shows.

    The retail service fee, however, is completely up in the air. My anally-pulled hunch is that there won't be additional fees for the retail box, but we'll have to keep waiting to find out. (Sucks, I hate waiting. :))
     
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    h2oskierc

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    The more important questions are, when does it hit mass market, and will it work with my plain old regular Tivo premiere? You know, the two tuner one...
     
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    lillevig

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    That's so last decade.... ;)
     
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    h2oskierc

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    :eek: LOL
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    The early indication is that it won't entirely work with 2-tuner Premieres on day 1. The early software design (as of 3 months ago) had the Mini hijack a DVR tuner for live TV streaming, but it would not release it. So a 4-tuner DVR effectively becomes a 3-tuner DVR. And so they are apparently blocking it from working with 2-tuner DVRs until this is resolved with a software update, because they believe having a 1-tuner DVR in this day and age is a sucky experience.

    It will stream recordings from 2-tuner Tivos on the network. But an Elite/4/XL4 is still mandatory for setup.

    It's POSSIBLE they've changed this setup since then, but I wouldn't count on it until we hear otherwise.
     
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    lillevig

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    How about the new P4 (XL-Lite)?
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    Oops, yes the P4 should work too. Updated my post.
     
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    crxssi

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    Why would it be an accessory only for the XL4? It shouldn't matter how many tuners or what the size of the hard drive.

    In my case, no, because I would not buy another TiVo just for my occasional bedroom use. But a reasonably priced, subscription-free mini? I might do that

    Exactly. It makes the TiVo solution more competitive and more compelling.

    If there is ANY fee, I am 100% not interested.
     
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    crxssi

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    I think that is just incredibly stupid. I *never* watch live TV. And I live alone. So why should it matter how many tuners the DVR has?
     
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    Test

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    I don't think there will be a monthly fee. How could there be? The fee is for guide data, if you're using this to stream/watch live/record from another TiVo why wouldn't it use that guide data?

    That's just my opinion, I just don't think they could justify it. Right now we can setup recordings from the mobile apps and pretty soon we'll be able to stream to it. Same idea.
     

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