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The Newsroom S02E07 : Red Team III

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by debtoine, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. Aug 28, 2013 #81 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    It is true that actual camera cuts in a game do occur. But it's not common in the middle of a basketball play like that where the vast majority of the action is shown from the single camera angle. And in this particular case, the cut was just way too drastic. The ref was coming up the court meaning that the point guard was bringing the ball up the court as well. Then suddenly it cut and the players were in the middle of a play down in the key under the basket. It just didn't look natural. And finally, both pieces are from the same camera angle. There's no way the director of the game would cut to another camera that's basically in the same position and just as wide as the first one. What would be the point of that?

    Having the game in the shot was not the general's idea, it was Dantana's. Jerry was the one that placed the chair where it was because he wanted to get the medals in the shot. He could just as easily have placed the chair somewhere else in the room, or zoomed the camera in just enough to cut off the edge of the TV screen. But instead, Sorkin had him do everything as clumsily as possible so he could then have his characters make some "brilliant" discovery a few episodes later. He just didn't calculate that the "brilliant" discovery would just make everyone look ever stupider than they had before, because it should have been so obvious.
     
  2. Sep 2, 2013 #82 of 106
    bsnelson

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    Best episode of the series, no doubt.

    I guess I just have a different view on the general. One doesn't rise to the three star level by being a bumbling idiot. It may not have been his direct request to have the TV in the shot, but he absolutely did it for edit protection, and knew exactly what to say and how to say it. The question is: Why? What motivation does he have to try to take down ACN?

    I agree that the big countdown clock in the press area was too much, but I thought her and Will's discussion about the shot clocks was great. There just needed to be something else to give her the final piece of the puzzle to want to review the raw footage.

    Hoping that we'll get some more explanation on the motivations here, but I fear that we won't.

    Brad
     
  3. Sep 4, 2013 #83 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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  4. Sep 4, 2013 #84 of 106
    TonyD79

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  5. Sep 5, 2013 #85 of 106
    GoPackGo

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    Does Sorkin write every episode? He didn't even do that when he was still working on The West Wing. He was credited with "Story By" on most WW episodes, but someone else had the written by credit.

    I feel like he needs to start doing that with this show too before he burns out.
     
  6. Sep 5, 2013 #86 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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    he's shared writing credits for two eps, the rest were credited solely to him.
     
  7. Sep 5, 2013 #87 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    There's a difference between 24 episodes and 10. How many WW did he write a year?
     
  8. Sep 5, 2013 #88 of 106
    GoPackGo

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    You're right about that, but he's also supposed to be writing the Steve Jobs film right now. I would feel better about this show's long term chances if more people were in the writer's room.

    It's one thing to have a show like Curb or Louis were the showrunners are given full control. It's another thing to have a big ensemble cast, where lots of people depend on the writers to churn out episodes. I don't feel like Sorkin can do it all on his own.
     
  9. Sep 5, 2013 #89 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    I seriously doubt Sorkin is doing it all on his own. I'll bet there is a writing staff that he works with. But then once the stories are broken and the drafts are written, then Sorkin does all the work from there, fleshing out the dialogue and polishing off the scripts.
     
  10. Sep 5, 2013 #90 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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  11. Sep 5, 2013 #91 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    He let go several writers at the end of S1. It doesn't mean that he then didn't hire replacements for S2.
     
  12. Sep 5, 2013 #92 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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    i never meant to imply they weren't replaced, only that, yes, there is a staff and, they were changed for the 2nd season. apologies if my post was misleading.
     
  13. Sep 5, 2013 #93 of 106
    MikeAndrews

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    Sorkin wrote about all of the West Wings for first 4(?) seasons. The reason he left in last year (or two) was because Warner was sick of him tweaking until well past the last minute and not having the scripts done in time. When the ratings dipped they got enough leverage to overcome Sorkin's clout.
     
  14. Sep 6, 2013 #94 of 106
    Steveknj

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    I wonder, because of the nature of the show, that he hires writers with different expertise to help him research and write with him. This year, perhaps he needed writers who were more intuned to writing "spy" or "conspiracy" type things. The first season he wanted writers who could write more about the workings of a newsroom. Next season, with a different arc, I'd expect all new writers again.
     
  15. Sep 6, 2013 #95 of 106
    aindik

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    Well, there was also the cocaine problem if I recall.
     
  16. Sep 6, 2013 #96 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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    not to change the subject...

    there's a season one marathon coming up on hbo zone monday night, 9/16, 7pm central.
     
  17. Sep 7, 2013 #97 of 106
    madscientist

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    That's not what happened. The CIA guy clearly said in his rant that he waited, and when he heard that ACN was looking into the story he took the opportunity to reinforce it. My only concern with this is that if he was so upset with Charlie, etc. it seems like he would have done more. The manifest is pretty weak tea when it comes to proof; the secret manifest entry could be lots of different things. The whole point is they don't know what it is.

    Anyway, the ONLY thing he did was provide the manifest and his confirmation as a "secret source", and the other tricky thing was he was the source for both Charlie and Will, but unknown to each other so they thought they had two confirmations when it was really the same poisoned source.

    He didn't have any part in any of the rest of it. He didn't plan any of it. It was just a series of bad decisions and mistakes, and bad luck.

    I agree with Doug. The cut is sloppy but sports events ALWAYS have quick cuts and jump to show different parts of the action. Sure, if you look at it for a while you may think that the cut doesn't make sense (but on live sporting events that happens too: how many times have you been watching a football game or something and they cut to a camera which is pointing at some guy's back and they have to switch away again). However remember it was actually only on in a corner of the screen and they weren't expecting the raw footage to be faked, so they weren't looking for it. The clock IS the smoking gun, but you need to really zero in on it to notice it.

    The general insisted on that time, when he agreed to the interview.
     
  18. Sep 12, 2013 #98 of 106
    Robin

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    They had no reason to believe the raw footage would be doctored. They were looking to make sure the interviewee's intent from the raw footage was maintained in the clip. A direct parallel top the Zimmerman tape.

    The reason the cut was so blindingly obvious to everyone here war because you're looking for it. I noticed a slight coherence in the position of his chin, but only because I knew about the cut and was searching for something. I was so focused on him I didn't even look at the game.
     
  19. Sep 12, 2013 #99 of 106
    Steveknj

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    But these are people who watch tape all day long. Their job in this case was to see if the story had merit, and, part of that would be watching the tape and looking to see if it's credible. Sorry, but I think someone who does this for a living would (should!) notice an abnormality.

    But of course it wasn't in the script, so it didn't happen that way :) I'm perfectly fine with it. Normally I'm not really all that nit picky about stuff like this.
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, in this case I just took it as creative shorthand for something so complicated and arcane if they'd done it "for real" it would have taken the whole episode, and we still wouldn't have understood exactly how it worked.

    Even super-over-simplified as it was, they had to spend a LOT of screen-time setting it up and explaining what had happened. The kinds of real video glitches that might have happened in that situation would have been a lot harder to get across.
     

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