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The Newsroom S02E07 : Red Team III

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by debtoine, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. Aug 26, 2013 #21 of 106
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    So going back to Charlie's source: did he just happen to hear that ACN was chasing the Genoa story so he gave Charlie a fake helo manifest to help them confirm the story? Or was he the mastermind behind the whole thing, and he convinced Sweeney and Stomtonovich to also talk to ACN, knowing that Sweeney would be discredited and that the General would be smart enough to confirm it off camera but then choose his words very carefully on camera?
     
  2. Aug 26, 2013 #22 of 106
    astrohip

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    I think this is one of the weak links in the whole charade. It would be too easy to expose this, and bring down at least one career, and possibly criminal indictments to follow.

    But hey, it's a Sorkin show. I watch for the banter. And Olivia Munn.
     
  3. Aug 26, 2013 #23 of 106
    TAsunder

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    The General did not confirm the use of Sarin gas even off camera. He implied it by noting that they were going to ask about sarin and then later said Genoa happened. And by nebulously speaking about his support of the use of stuff like sarin if the situation called for it. Genoa did happen so it's unclear to me whether it matters whether Maggie heard him say it happened.
     
  4. Aug 26, 2013 #24 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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    we know from becca that he anonymously leaked the story to will, then after jerry and team started background calls to the dod, he anonymously leaked the confirmation by way of the manifest to charlie, confident charlie and will wouldn't reveal their sorces.

    my take on stomtonovich was he was found legitimately by neal, but researched jerry, and by orchestrating maggie's exit from the room, set jerry up to perform as he expected. sweeny was reacting to leading questions from mac, set up by the general.
     
  5. Aug 26, 2013 #25 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    No, Sweeney was interviewed first, before they had any info from the General or the fake manifest. It was Valenzuela that provided nothing new but instead simply corroborated everything Sweeney said through the leading questions from Mac.

    So the question remains: Why did Sweeney come forward and tell the story he did? Did he really believe Sarin was used? Was he being used as a pawn by Charlie's source?

    And what about the tweets from the Pakistani? We know he stopped tweeting because he couldn't pay for his cell phone plan. But what about the actual tweets he made? Why did he say people were burning and dying? And what are the chances his pre-paid plan then ended right in that moment before he could follow up on his tweet about people burning?
     
  6. Aug 26, 2013 #26 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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    your right, my bad, i confused sweeny with valenzuela. wasn't sweeny sourced from jerry's panel guest cyrus west?

    update: i found this from the recap on the hollywood reporter:

     
  7. Aug 26, 2013 #27 of 106
    busyba

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    He wasn't the mastermind of the whole thing. He had a grudge against Charlie from a while back and he bided his time, waiting for an opportunity.

    Then he heard about ACN making inquiries about MARSOC ops and figured out what was going on and decided that this was his chance to strike at Charlie.
     
  8. Aug 26, 2013 #28 of 106
    Satchel

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    These days I'm watching just for Don and Sloan. Love them. The rest? Meh.
     
  9. Aug 26, 2013 #29 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    So I guess that's my question. Was the Genoa story just a spectacular confluence of conincidences that all came together at the right time to cause the gigantic screw up? Cyrus West planted the story and hooked Jerry up with Sweeney. What were their angles for telling this story? The General confirmed that Genoa happened before the cameras started rolling, and it seemed pretty clear he knew what he was saying when he did that. It was only then that they got the fake helo manifest. So if Charlie's source had nothing more to do with the story than providing one of the many pieces of evidence, that seems rather far fetched that he would expect that piece of evidence to lead to ACN reporting a false story.
     
  10. Aug 26, 2013 #30 of 106
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I take her at her word that SHE wants to get rid of Will and Charlie, not be forced to accept their resignations under bogus circumstances. ;)
     
  11. Aug 26, 2013 #31 of 106
    busyba

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    Yes. That was the point of the soliloquy slash history lesson that Will gave to the lawyers near the end of the episode.
     
  12. Aug 26, 2013 #32 of 106
    john4200

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    No, that was not Will's point. Will's point was that a single mistake can cause a large, dramatic failure. In this case, the doctoring of the raw interview footage was responsible (for want of a nail, the kingdom was lost). Not an institutional failure. That was Will's point.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2013 #33 of 106
    MikeAndrews

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    :D We only needed a telescope to see it.
     
  14. Aug 26, 2013 #34 of 106
    MikeAndrews

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    I wanna see the TiVo stats on how many of us were freeze-framing and jump-backing to see how sheer Jane Fonda's gown top was.
     
  15. Aug 26, 2013 #35 of 106
    MikeAndrews

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    Hmmmm. I wonder why they didn't list Cyrus West as evidence #1?

    Was he put up to it by Charlie's (and Wil's) Pentagon guy?
     
  16. Aug 26, 2013 #36 of 106
    gchance

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    Really? The thought never crossed my mind, although you can feel free to post a picture to the over 40 thread.

    Greg
     
  17. Aug 26, 2013 #37 of 106
    Gunnyman

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    Me too.
    I love me some Olivia Munn, and Don's opening scene with the lawyer was excellent.
     
  18. Aug 26, 2013 #38 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    Cyrus West wasn't providing any direct knowledge of the op, so he wouldn't be counted as evidence. He just provided a tip that led them to Sweeney.

    Oh, and I forgot about the NGO guy that Neal found during the Occupy Wall Street part. So that's one more piece of the crazy coincidence that all happened to come together to corroborate a fake story.
     
  19. Aug 26, 2013 #39 of 106
    busyba

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    There was almost certainly a nude-colored opaque panel underneath the lace and tulle.
     
  20. Aug 26, 2013 #40 of 106
    busyba

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    Cyrus West didn't have evidence. All he had was information that someone else had evidence.

    At best, all Cyrus West could be said to have is hearsay evidence.
     

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