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The Newsroom S02E07 : Red Team III

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by debtoine, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. Aug 26, 2013 #1 of 106
    debtoine

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    Interesting episode; at least it confirmed some of the speculation we had, such as it's a wrongful termination suit for Jerry Dantana.

    The incorrect Heli manifest story was far fetched, but still entertaining.

    What I don't understand, though, is that (I thought) Charlie said in the previous episode he knew at 10:05 it was all fake; it seems like it took a lot longer.

    Some great interactions, especially with Don and the lawyer.

    Leona Lansing's reaction was great, although given previous season, I would have thought she'd treasure the opportunity to get rid of Will and Charlie.

    Toine
     
  2. Aug 26, 2013 #2 of 106
    busyba

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    I loved Don's "how is any of this not insane" rant. I get why it was important, dramatically, for the lawyer to win that argument with Don, but left a perfect comeback to her "institutional failure / scapegoat" argument sitting unused on the table: of all the people for whom it is arguable that they were involved in the institutional failure, the only person fired was the only person who actually acted in bad faith.


    And bravo for Leona. If there were more defendants like her, there would be far fewer scumbag plaintiffs.
     
  3. Aug 26, 2013 #3 of 106
    TonyD79

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    Leona, in her drunken/drugged rant, got it right. I don't see an institutional failure at all. Of the four pieces of evidence, one was faked by the guy who they fired, one was faked by a "reliable" source (who they should expose, BTW), one was uncheckable (if they could not check the sources medical records) and the last was clean in its own way.

    The fact that they sat on the story for a year verifying it over and over again actually says they had checks and balances in place and took their time. They followed a pretty rigorous procedure.

    Legally, I can't see where they lose. Yes, they lost some faith with the public but a self-expose on how it went wrong would help. They can show how the news can get muddled.

    It is their own lack of faith that may hurt. They stood down on Benghazi because they didn't trust themselves.
     
  4. Aug 26, 2013 #4 of 106
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Interesting that Sorkin timed the Genoa story such that it could be said to be one of the causes of Benghazi.
     
  5. Aug 26, 2013 #5 of 106
    TAsunder

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    I don't think Charlie said he knew it was fake at 10:05 did he? I thought it was more along the lines of, the story started to fall apart at 10:05... which it did since the General had made his irate phone call by then.

    I thought this was the best episode of the season by far. Minimal romantic stupidities and insight into how getting burned might affect their ability to do their job.
     
  6. Aug 26, 2013 #6 of 106
    Idearat

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    I agree with the insanity of the big fight in the wrongful termination suit. He wasn't fired because of the embarrassing story, he was fired for altering the raw footage and lying to his employer about it.

    If he hadn't edited the footage and they still aired the story, then he could claim to be duped like everyone else. Firing him then since he spearheaded the story would have been using him as a scapegoat and maybe then he'd have a case. The editing of the raw footage is a completely different situation.

    Perhaps he's claiming that everyone else was falsifying their reports and the network has to "prove" they didn't? He probably can't get away with claiming that he didn't do the stealth edit, so he's stuck claiming that he wasn't the only one.
     
  7. Aug 26, 2013 #7 of 106
    TonyD79

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    Nah. He knew from the elevator he was done. He lawyered up. And that is what they do. Find anything they can claim.

    The only breakdown from a system I can see is that they let him cowboy the thing. No one else with the general during the interview. Self edit. They can change that but they focus for the law suit on them relying on him doing his job and he didn't only mess up, he was deliberate in his fakery.
     
  8. Aug 26, 2013 #8 of 106
    Satchel

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    I really don't think Mac has the authority to Fire Jerry...especially in an elevator. He works in a different bureau and she didn't even know him prior to him coming up to fill in.

    It would have happened with HR and lawyers in the room.
     
  9. Aug 26, 2013 #9 of 106
    astrohip

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    One motivation I don't understand. General Stomtonovich. Why did he give the interview?

    He was acknowledged in an earlier episode as a pro-chemical warfare general, who didn't want us to get rid of our arsenal. So why did he even allow an interview? And why did he keep saying "if we used Sarin"? And why did he agree to appear on camera? Even masked in darkness and voice-altered, he was introduced as a three star general. How hard could it be for someone to figure out who he was?

    His motivation escapes me.

    I thought it was a good episode, full frontal Sorkin. The scenes with MGH/lawyer and the cast were just spectacular. The only weak part was the Jane Fonda ending. It's like "ok, here's our get out of jail" scene, and everyone is forgiven. Kind of a cheap finish to a great episode.
     
  10. Aug 26, 2013 #10 of 106
    Gerryex

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    Yes, this was absolutely the best episode of the season and possibly the whole series. The hour just flew by and I really enjoyed it. And yes, having "minimal romantic stupidities" really helped make the episode all the more enjoyable.


    Of course the fired guy's lawyer is going to do everything possible to get a settlement for his client, but the guy ACTUALLY edited the raw footage. There is no way that he would not be instantly fired for that. But I also agree with another post that Mac probably didn't have the authority to instantly fire him and that it would have had to taken place with Human Resources and possible network lawyers in attendance.

    But again, a very good episode!

    Gerry
     
  11. Aug 26, 2013 #11 of 106
    Ereth

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    I was thinking, "Man! Jane Fonda can still chew the scenery when she wants to!". That was such an excellent performance!
     
  12. Aug 26, 2013 #12 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    If the shot clock was visible in the raw footage, and they'd all watched it "a hundred times," how did nobody notice it before that? I thought it would at least be something a little more subtle like them getting a copy of the actual game footage and playing it side by side and seeing that there was a piece missing. For the shot clock to have obvious time missing and then nobody to have seen it before then kind of does speak to an institutional failure.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2013 #13 of 106
    MegaHertz67

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    I think what she said was "It's pretty obvious that you're fired." I didn't take that as her firing him, but just stating the obvious that there was no way he survives this with a job at ACN.
     
  14. Aug 26, 2013 #14 of 106
    MikeAndrews

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    That was a Sorkin bit of cheat. The shot clock wasn't visible, really.

    Some guys isolated the game from the video. There's a jump in the action as the ref walks down the court, but no shot clock.
     
  15. Aug 26, 2013 #15 of 106
    DevdogAZ

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    Here's the post from last week's thread with the game footage isolated. You can clearly see the shot clock jump from 19 to 3. Not sure how none of us noticed that before.
     
  16. Aug 26, 2013 #16 of 106
    JoeyJoJo

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    Nope. She says "you're fired" and he says he expected that.
     
  17. Aug 26, 2013 #17 of 106
    busyba

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    Yes, it would certainly have been much more accurate for her to say "while I personally may not have the authority to terminate your employment with ACN, your actions provide justification for me to make the appropriate requests of the appropriate managers and senior executives to initiate the process whereby such termination will be accomplished".

    I believe, however, "you're fired" is a perfectly valid shorthand for that.
     
  18. Aug 26, 2013 #18 of 106
    busyba

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    The kid who writes Will's blog probably doesn't have the authority to fire an intern either, but obviously he was able to make it happen.
     
  19. Aug 26, 2013 #19 of 106
    NorthAlabama

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    it took seven episodes to get here, but we finally made it. we know jerry initiated the lawsuit, and the blow by blow details of the catastrophic failure. the story plant and suicide tangent was a bit contrived and convenient to the story line, but it tied up loose ends nicely. the opportunity to confirm your own anonymously planted story seemed vaguely familiar. the holding of the manifest over a candle to reveal secret writing was amateurish.

    jane fonda is perfect casting in her character, and her scenes and dialog are spectacular. almost as if she's drawing from firsthand knowledge of the complexities involved with the management of a large cable news division. ;)

    the banter between don and becca's team was enjoyable from the start, and watching the fear in their eyes from the dod response as the story collapsed made the bengazi holdoff believable. have i said how much i love olivia munn today? :)
     
  20. Aug 26, 2013 #20 of 106
    astrohip

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    I you haven't, I will.:up:
     

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