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The Newsroom - 08/26/12 - The Greater Fool

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by robojerk, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. Jesda


    Feb 12, 2005
    Let's be real here. This show is Sorkin's little soapbox.

    It's entertaining and idealistic enough to keep me interested despite the lack of perspective and depth. Like a plot hole in a story, I roll my eyes at the flaws and let it go, remembering that it's just the political opinions and characterizations of a few writers and producers portrayed through the fictional universe of a group of journalists -- not a real news program.

    It's entertainment. It's interesting and at times quite thoughtful, but it's still entertainment. Anyone can create a fictional universe that plays into their political and ideological preconceptions. Like a loaded question, it's best not to take them too seriously.
  2. inaka

    inaka New Member

    Nov 26, 2001
    Oakland, CA
    Not sure what the issue with any sort of lack of balance is then. It's their fictional universe, keyword fictional.

    If you know it's entertainment, and it's a fictional universe that plays into their political and ideological preconceptions, then why expect otherwise that there should be balance, etc. when the ideology of both the writer and the characters is so clear?

    Enjoy the show and take it for what it is. That's all I'm saying.
  3. Jesda


    Feb 12, 2005
    Because some perceive the bias as an affirmation of their version of reality while others perceive the bias to be an alternate reality. I suspect Sorkin hopes for more of the former than the latter.

    Perhaps his expectation is that if he makes the show softer with relationship subplots that larger/wider audiences can relate to, he can get viewers to stick around and join his political bandwagon.

    It's having the opposite effect for me. The relationship nonsense takes me out of the show while the more dramatic scenes with Waterston, Fonda, and Daniels convince me that Newsroom is worth tolerating all of the fluff and BS.

    I'm about ready to start fast-forwarding though half the show.
  4. Beryl

    Beryl Active Member

    Feb 22, 2009
    That's my way to do it now. Some shows are made for the DVR And streaming.
  5. DeDondeEs

    DeDondeEs Active Member

    Feb 20, 2004
    Las Vegas, NV
    The thing that was obvious to me in this show was that Sorkin was trying to get as much propaganda as possible since this is the last episode before the election. I will probably get a warning for writing a political post for what I just said, even though the majority of the posts in this thread are specifically debating voter ID laws. Putting all of that aside, I thought it was an OK episode.

    They were all really banking that Leona and her son weren't going to open that envelope to see that was just a beef stew recipe. If someone were to black mail you like that, wouldn't you look in the envelope to see what was in there before you started debating it?
  6. zalusky

    zalusky Active Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    And that is the art of the bluff! To get somebody to fold because the risk of failure is far greater. A felony in this case. Of course we have hind sight because we know whats going on in London with News of the World.

    As far as politics goes it is somewhat a reflection of the news business itself. This is a cable station just like Fox News and MSNBC are cable stations and they have the freedom to have lots of political spin. Why can't this cable station say what it wants.
  7. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Of course they can say what they want. The argument is that they wanted to be Newsroom 2.0, reporting the news and be more like Murrow. In the end, so called Republican Will just about kills his own party. As a liberal, I loved it, but it was hardly any better than what Fox News does, and not what they supposedly set out to do. That's my only beef with the News part of the show. Watching this last episode I said to my wife, you know just about every southern, and plains state just turned off the TV.

    Now, as for the relationship stuff. I felt it was weak and stupid and I agree it was as if these people were in high school. I never bought the Will / Mac relationship. I could NEVER see them together in a million years. Both pulled some petty crap to get under each other's skin. It was horrible. I HATE the Maggie love triangle with the two producers. Maggie might be the weakest character on TV, despite trying to show how strong she is. She spouts off about how she wants to be with one guy, and then when the guy she's actually with makes a gesture, she forgets all about everything she said. Terrible. I absolute HATE her character, and I liked it the first couple of episodes. And it's odd, Sloan may be one of my favorite characters on the show. I really think she's the strongest woman on the show, even though she kind of lets Will push her around some.

    I'm back for season 2 though. The political stuff and the behind the scenes news stuff trumps the relationship stuff for now.
  8. Robin

    Robin Nasty Woman TCF Club

    A few minutes? I recently renewed my license and it took at least three hours, and my station is as easy as it could possibly be.

    The only time I ever need an ID for purchases is occasionally when traveling. Now it's only buying wine or beer at Target, since they have to scan an ID.

    I literally cannot recall a time when I wrote a check to a retail store.

    YES. This really grates on me.

    I'm torn between being offended because it means I'm old and pleased because it's less hassle than getting out my ID. Which then makes me feel even older. My food lion receipts say "age verified visually". I suppose it's nice of them to not actually spell out "she's so damn old there was no contest."

    That was a wink to Sex and the City, it's part of the opening credits.
  9. RGM1138

    RGM1138 I wanna Rock

    Oct 6, 1999
    Gulfport, MS
    It reminded me of the opening credits of Three's Company. :)
  10. The Spud

    The Spud Rather be cruising

    Aug 27, 2002
    Kent, WA
    Wasn't the Sex and the City theme also playing during this scene? Not that I ever watched that show, but it sounded familiar. :p
  11. Tracy

    Tracy Truly

    Mar 12, 2000
    Galena, IL
    I like the relationship stories. I agree that everything is amped up about 20% over how people normally react in real life, but real life would be boring to watch. Plus, this season seemed to cover a whole year, so although we see Mackenzie having meltdowns a lot, presumably whole months roll by where she is calm.

    I liked how they bookended the season with the Northwestern stuff.
  12. Robin

    Robin Nasty Woman TCF Club

  13. Flop

    Flop Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    If your station is as easy as it could be, what took three hours? I have lived and obtained DLs in 5 states, and it was never hard or burdensome. I have never had a DMV visit take longer than 90 minutes, but that was due to a paperwork snafu on my end. It took me all of 30 minutes to get a new DL when I moved from VA to OK, and that included registering the cars as well. When I moved from CA to VA about 10 years ago, it took about 90 minutes to handle all the paperwork. The bulk of that was waiting on some faxed documents from the company that owned the lease on the vehicle I had at the time. The actual obtaining of a DL was quick and straight forward. I understand from reading the other posts in this thread that other people have a much harder time of it. Maybe the states need to look at simplifying/streamlining the process.
  14. Robin

    Robin Nasty Woman TCF Club

    Sorry, "situation", not "station".

    90% of the time was spent waiting, 5% driving there, 5% actually renewing it.

    And this was mid-morning on a weekday.
  15. Ereth

    Ereth Active Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Jacksonville, FL
    A few years ago when I moved to Texas it took me most of a day to get my license transferred to Texas. Then they didn't provide one right there, but mailed it from Austin 6 weeks later. They literally had people assigning waiting rooms to stand in line in Texas. The line was out the door at 8 am, and I managed to be seen around 4, if I recall.

    When I moved back to Florida I was pleased that it only took about an hour to reverse all of that.
  16. Jesda


    Feb 12, 2005
    Electronics retailers almost always ask for an ID to go with a non-debit credit card transaction.

    Sometimes even Wal-Mart will ask to glance at your ID.
  17. Beryl

    Beryl Active Member

    Feb 22, 2009
    I did this two weeks ago around 1 PM and it it took a little longer waiting and driving.
    Poor people rarely shop for electronics, they don't have credit cards, but they should be able to vote.

    One huge fallacy in the pro-voter ID position is comparison of voting (a right) with unnecessary commerce (alcohol, guns, etc.) You don't need an ID to purchase food with cash. Even homeless people should be able to vote.

    Another is comparing it with events where having an ID could prevent a bad thing from happening. We have evidence that people buy things for evil and board aircraft for evil. We don't have evidence that supports disenfranchising population segments.
  18. Jesda


    Feb 12, 2005
    If voting is important, essential, and necessary to a republic, it should also be verified, just like every other form of business we conduct with the government.

    You often need an ID to purchase firearms, and that's an explicit right.

    But that ID should be free and easy to acquire.
  19. Beryl

    Beryl Active Member

    Feb 22, 2009
    I agree when this happens. It has not happened in states where the voter ID requirement has been proposed.

    Firearms and voting - false equivalence because we do have evidence that society is hurt when the wrong people acquire firearms. We don't even have evidence that any voter fraud has even affected election outcomes.
  20. scooterboy

    scooterboy Coney Island Small

    Mar 27, 2001
    East Kingston, NH USA
    My first reaction to this is "no, they don't". I can't remember the last time I was asked for ID in this situation.

    Which leads me to believe that we're seeing regional differences here.

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