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The Newsroom - 08/26/12 - The Greater Fool

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by robojerk, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. Aug 27, 2012 #21 of 116
    Bars & Tone

    Bars & Tone Will Draw for Food

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    Exactly!
    He can't even throw us a bone with an "Ainsley Hayes" sort of a character?
    Can't we have just one character who can say, "Yeah, that's true, but what about...?"
     
  2. Aug 27, 2012 #22 of 116
    hbtaylor

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    I was very tense during that sequence. I kept thinking, "remember what happened to Mark Harmon on The West Wing".
     
  3. Aug 27, 2012 #23 of 116
    busyba

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    Literacy tests... poll taxes... Voter ID.

    They change the name, but the game's the same.
     
  4. Aug 27, 2012 #24 of 116
    Lori

    Lori Social Defective TCF Club

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    I loved all 10 hours. But I'm their demo, and Aaron sometimes seems like he's eavesdropping on the conversations I have with my friends.

    I can't wait for season two.
     
  5. Aug 27, 2012 #25 of 116
    zordude

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    I can't remember the last time I was asked for ID to use a credit card.
     
  6. Aug 27, 2012 #26 of 116
    robojerk

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    It's a 50/50 scenario here. The movie theaters are like Nazi's asking for my papers. Restaurants never ask when paying. Retail shops are a mixed bag. I had a gas station card me once buying a damn red bull (~$1.50).
     
  7. Aug 27, 2012 #27 of 116
    Lori

    Lori Social Defective TCF Club

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    Requiring an ID is a violation of Visa's merchant agreement. They can ask, but if you don't have one, or decline to present one, they can't refuse the sale unless the card is unsigned.
     
  8. Aug 27, 2012 #28 of 116
    Lori

    Lori Social Defective TCF Club

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    In PA, in order to get a state-issued ID card, you must go to the Driver's Licensing Center (20 miles from my parents' house). You must pay $13.50. You must present one of these: Birth Certificate with raised seal (U.S. issued by an authorized government agency,including U.S. territories or Puerto Rico. Non-U.S. Birth Certificates will not be accepted.) OR Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (INS Form N-560)OR Certificate of Naturalization (INS Form N-550 or N-570) OR Valid U.S. Passport
    AND Two each of these: W-2 Form, Current Weapons Permit, Current Utility Bills(water, gas, electric, cable, etc.), Tax Records, Lease Agreements, Mortgage Documents

    You must also present your Social Security Card, in addition to the documents specified above.

    What if you are in your 90s, and you have no income, so you pay no tax, and you have no utility bills, and you live with your kids and have no bills in your name and you don't have a weapons permit?

    PAs answer to that is to have the person that you live with come to the DMV and vouch for you. So now your kid, or whomever, has to take off work and go with you (which, honestly, they probably did anyway since there's ZERO public transport in my home county).

    This is just a boondoggle.
     
  9. Aug 27, 2012 #29 of 116
    Ereth

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    I rarely am asked for my ID to use my credit card. Almost never. When it does happen it's such a surprise that I remember it. Happened once this year so far.

    But the people they are trying to disenfranchise aren't you. They aren't worried about people with credit cards. They are trying to eliminate poor people, who mostly deal in cash, and take public transportation.

    I have a good friend who has been a comic book artist for over 2 decades. He has to take a bus to go to the bank. It's a several hour effort, just to go get money so he can buy groceries. He doesn't drive. He works from home. Why does he need a drivers license?

    I, myself, just got my notification of my drivers license renewal (my birthday is in September) and the new regulations say I can't renew. I have to go down and prove I'm an American. I need my Birth Certificate. I haven't had access to my birth certificate for decades. The US Navy lost it in 1981. I gave them the original, they couldn't find it to give it back. (BTW, I CAN put my hands on my DD-214, but that's not acceptable to the State of Florida). I have had to order a new copy of my birth certificate from Texas, which cost me about $25, and will take 4-6 business weeks. It's entirely possible it won't come in before my Drivers License expires and then I won't have valid ID. I need to take about six forms with me to renew my license this year. It's a real pain in the butt. I can see why people don't do it if they don't have to.

    To you and me, $25 really isn't a big deal. It's an annoyance. But there's a lot of people for whom $25 is a deal breaker.

    Flop strongly supports Voter ID laws. He believes fraud is rampant even though by his own admission he has no data whatsoever upon which to base that. That's because poor Flop has been lied to for so long that he doesn't know it's a lie.

    Voter ID is only intended to counter "in person voter fraud" for the obvious reason that it's only used when people go to vote. In the last decade, of all the alleged fraud, they only found 10 cases of in-person voter fraud. That's it. 10 votes in 10 years.

    How much money should we spend to prevent that? Isn't this the party of fiscal responsibility? 32 Republican states have spent taxpayer money to enact a bill that will cost money to solve this non-problem.
     
  10. Aug 27, 2012 #30 of 116
    Idearat

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    I agree that if there really were only 86 cases of voter fraud then then someone's not looking close enough. Additional restrictions that get in the way of voters are not the answer. A lost vote is no different than a fraudulent one, so trading a supposed lack of illegitimate votes as the expense of legitimate ones is not a solution.
     
  11. Aug 27, 2012 #31 of 116
    Lori

    Lori Social Defective TCF Club

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    And then there's this:

    Um...come again?
     
  12. Aug 27, 2012 #32 of 116
    Flop

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    I'll tell you why I support voter ID. I grew up in southern California. Many of the kids in my high school were children of illegal immigrants. In history/social studies/US government classes when the topic of elections/voting was raised they would talk about their parents voting and say how easy it was. As I wrote previously, my data is only anecdotal, but I know there are more than 10 cases of in-person voter fraud in 10 years. What the actual number is, I have no idea.

    Maybe you don't believe fraud is prevalent enough to worry about it, and I will grant you that in national elections it probably doesn't affect outcomes. In local elections it may have a larger impact. Voter ID isn't perfect, and will not stop all fraud. It will stop some. I sympathize with people who would have a hard time obtaining ID and every effort should be made to accommodate them. It is their right to vote, and I wouldn't ever want to deny that right, but to imply that I support voter ID because I'm so stupid I believe whatever the RNC is spewing is a petty personal attack.
     
  13. Aug 27, 2012 #33 of 116
    Jesda

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    By its nature, fraud is inherently hidden, which means "reported cases" suggest that there's a whole lot more that have gone unnoticed.

    If every act of fraud could be recorded, it wouldn't really be fraud, would it?


    Come on people, statistics.
     
  14. Aug 27, 2012 #34 of 116
    Jesda

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    Where does it say I have to obtain a permit to carry a firearm?

    Because apparently I do, or in some states I can't carry one at all.
     
  15. Aug 27, 2012 #35 of 116
    DavidTigerFan

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    Quit moving goalposts
     
  16. Aug 27, 2012 #36 of 116
    Ereth

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    Actually you don't know that. You don't know that any of those kids were telling the truth and you don't know that a single one of their parents ever committed in person voter fraud. They may well have been using absentee ballots, which Voter ID will not affect in the least and which is FAR easier to do.

    And let me add: high school and college students have been getting fake IDs so they can drink for several generations. Do you honestly think that someone intent on committing significant voter fraud isn't at least as smart as kids going to Spring Break? Do you honestly believe that someone who is trying to affect our elections in a significant way is going to be deterred by requiring a photo ID? No. The only people who will be deterred are honest people, in exactly the same way that DRM only affects honest customers and not those who wanted to pirate in the first place. It's a waste of time and money.

    It won't stop any significant fraud. Even the state of Illinois, when asked in Court, admitted that their Voter ID law would not have prevented any of the fraud attempts of which they were aware.

    I'm not putting forth the idea that you are stupid. I'm putting forth the idea that "The BIG LIE" works. This is hardly a new idea. If you make a little lie, people might notice. But say something totally outrageous and you are more likely to be believed. Say it often enough and that likelihood goes up. Say it often enough over a long enough time period and you can convince a large majority that it's true.

    Look how many people still believe that Obama wasn't born in the US, in spite of all the evidence put forth? The Big Lie has ensnared them.
     
  17. Aug 27, 2012 #37 of 116
    Beryl

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    So this. The experts of voter suppression (Dixiecrats) are in the Tea/Republican Party. Gotta know your history.

    Exactly. I had to explain this to my cleaning lady last week who considered herself "poor". She caught on quickly when I told her that "poor" people don't have cars, drivers licenses, smartphones, etc. Poor people don't have the $25-35 to buy a photo ID. $25-35 would be for food.

    I also reminded her about people like @Lori mentioned. My mother still has her drivers license but will likely not renew it since she doesn't drive anymore. She'll have to PROVE that she is eligible to continue to vote after voting for over 50 years. She was not able to vote so in her early adult years in the South because of voter suppression. Now at almost 90 years old, she is faced with the same crap and she is a Republican!

    It is just wrong and history will not look favorably on this.

    The show was good to bring this out. I just can't stand all of the personal stories in the show. It is so high school.
     
  18. Aug 27, 2012 #38 of 116
    Beryl

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  19. Aug 27, 2012 #39 of 116
    markz

    markz Hilarity Ensues

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    I'm with you guys. My wife and I love everything about this show.
     
  20. Aug 27, 2012 #40 of 116
    rondotcom

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    And the OP has apparently not dealt with people in housing projects much. No way to agency issuing ID's,only way to polls is GOtV volunteer drivers.
     

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