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The Mentalist: Season Six "Red John: The Final Chapter"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Alfer

    Alfer New Member

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    Reading the new USA Today article about the show and the whole RJ wrap up, there sure looks to be a a LOT of big changes starting with the December 1st episode. Looks like it could make for some more good episodes.
     
  2. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    They're doing a bunch of interviews, drumming up PR for this last Red John episode. Here's a link to an interview with showrunner Bruno Heller (no spoilers):

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mentalist-simon-baker-ep-end-658385

    A couple of interesting tidbits. These are not spoilers, but just to be safe:

    * When you read this, it becomes clear they had no idea who RJ was at first. It was only as time went on (and I get the impression they mean years/seasons) did they finally decide who RJ would actually be.

    * The first episode after RJ is set two years later.
     
  3. Shakhari

    Shakhari Well-Known Member

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    The only thing that happened there was the FBI came around to ask Jane if he REALLY killed Red John.
     
  4. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    The only thing that we got to see. That doesn't mean that was the only thing that happened.

    There was a gruesome crime scene and a big red bloody smiley face. Unless the cops did a really good cover-up job, I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption to make that the state of RJ was made publicly known soon thereafter.
     
  5. john4200

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    Well, that is disappointing. For some reason I thought they had planned it from the beginning. Why is it so rare for shows with a multi-season arc to actually have even a rough idea of how that arc is going to conclude?
     
  6. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    So that's it. After five seasons.

    Sheriff Tom McAllister.
     
  7. Shakhari

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    Yeah, but that was the only surprise in the episode ... not that it wasn't Bertram, but which of the supposedly dead suspects it would turn out to be.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    I was holding out for Stiles, who would have been the least ridiculous of the suspects.
     
  9. john4200

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    Nearly 5.5 seasons. After more than 5 years of puzzling about Red John, that lame episode is the resolution? No explanation for why so many people adored him? No explanation for how he knew the list of suspects except, "I have real psychic powers"?

    What a letdown.
     
  10. secondclaw

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    Ugh ... The episode wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but McAllister just doesn't make sense. Jane killing fake RJ was superior to this in every way, including RJ himself.
     
  11. smbaker

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    I thought it was a decent wrap-up of the RJ story.

    We all knew it would turn out not to be Bertram, that meant it had to be one of the other "dead" guys. While my money was on Partridge, McAllister fit the role well enough. He had a little bit of a creepy vibe to him. I felt his portrayal at the end was reasonable well acted. I'm satisfied and ready to move on.

    As far as not learning how he knew about the list, I don't mind that. The character of Jane didn't need to know, so we don't need to know.

    I just hope TygerTyger / The Blake Society is done also. RJ/McAllister said he was the Blake society. Hopefully it dies with him, all the key players are done, and we can move on with new interesting stories. In my gut, I kinda doubt it though.
     
  12. Peter000

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    Pretty lame anticlimactic ending to the RJ saga. If indeed it is the end.

    I just don't feel that RJ was charismatic enough to have so many followers. And in the end the character was very shallow... they didn't have any sort of back story on him, what made him tick, how he rose to "power." It's like pulling a mask off a superhero (or in this case villain) and he's just a guy.

    To be fair, I didn't watch much at all last season, so I might have missed something along those lines.
     
  13. john4200

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    Nope. Just as lame as you said.

    I've come to the conclusion that it is nearly impossible to have a TV series with an intricate multi-season story arc that comes to a satisfying conclusion. The only exception I can think of in the past several decades is Babylon 5.

    For some reason, TV writers just cannot (or do not?) plan ahead. Maybe they think long-term planning is a waste of time because the networks will probably force changes in any long-term plans (or just cancel the series before it reaches the long-term)?
     
  14. betts4

    betts4 I am Spartacus!

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    What a letdown indeed.

    It's almost as if they were just as tired of it all as we were.
     
  15. markz

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    My money was on Partridge being RJ.

    As for not finding out the why, where, etc behind RJ, in real life we don't always hear what caused these crazed lunatics to do what they do, so I am alright with it not being all wrapped up with a cute little bow.

    Jane was carrying that bird around all day. I bet he needs a new jacket! And they patted down Jane for a gun, but didn't notice a live pigeon?

    Jane could have at least told Lisbon who RJ was. As far as they know, it was Bertram. Will they figure it out, when someone stumbles upon McAllistar's body, that since they thought he was dead, that he is RJ?

    What becomes of the the lady from the chapel that walked away, and of all the other Blake Society people? Will they continue looking out for one another? Do they know that RJ was the head of the Blake Society? Or is the group autonomous enough to keep on functioning without a leader?

    I bet the show does not get renewed. They have wrapped up the main story and will now show us the aftermath. I would be happy with it not continuing after this season is over.

    Plus (Casting Spoiler):

    Owain Yeoman and Amanda Righetti are leaving the show anyway after this season.
     
  16. Rob Helmerichs

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    Not even
    after. They're gone almost now. Apparently, when the show comes back next week after a two-year gap, they've left CBI and started a private detective agency. So they'll be available for guest appearances, but not in the regular cast any more.
     
  17. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    I wonder if the CBI will be reinstated?
    I thought the emptying of the CBI offices was a bit over done.
    I could see taking the records etc, but the desks as well?
     
  18. Shakhari

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    Agreed. He was they only one of the final suspects charismatic enough to be Red John. Plus, unlike McAllister, Reed Smith, and Ray Haffner, he'd been in the show all along, instead of a one-shot character before this season. Choosing him or Bertram, or even Brett Patrtidge, would have given the impression that the show has had a goal all along. Instead, they just pulled Red John's identity out of a hat.
     
  19. smbaker

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    Perhaps the reason I'm satisfied it was McAllister is because I never expected anything other than to pull RJ's identity out of a hat.

    After watching the entirety of Lost without learning a thing in the finale, after watching the entirety of Battlestar Galactica ("They have a plan") without them having a plan, ..., my expectations for long-term TV planning are quite low.

    I find it telling that so many people would have been satisfied with RJ being Timothy Carter back in the S3 finale, a character we had never met before. Someone whose backstory and motivation we did not know.
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    Back then, though, it hadn't been dragged out and teased for years. I think at that point it would have been appropriate for it to be an ordinary, somewhat nebbishy guy whom nobody had ever noticed before.

    And I wouldn't be surprised if they thought he was Red John when they did that episode, and then changed their minds over the break.
     

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