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The Mentalist: Season Six "Red John: The Final Chapter"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Azlen

    Azlen Active Member

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    After last night, I'm thinking the Brett Partridge isn't really dead and is Red John is a lot more plausible. Why else have Cho go and take a picture of his shoulder without looking to see if it was indeed him? It seemed pointless to show unless something else was going to happen with it later.
     
  2. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Until last night, I was assuming Stiles was RJ, and he didn't have the tattoo because tattoos are for minions. But last night they made it sound like RJ is just another member of the club, not its Grand Poo-bah. Which gives me the horrible fear that after they take down Red John, they will turn their attention to the Blake Association, and this will never actually end.
     
  3. john4200

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    I had a suspicion that Bertram was involved for a long time. I even put him as #2 on my suspect list, but if he was RJ, I thought he had Visualize help somehow.
     
  4. JYoung

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    I'm not buying Bertram as Red John either.
    He doesn't seem to have the charisma to have fanatically devoted minions.

    I'm still in the "Partridge faked his death" camp.

    On the other hand, there's still no reason that it can't be Van Pelt.
     
  5. Donbadabon

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  6. Idearat

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    The group was revealed not as "RJ and his minions" but "A group of people who can't say no to orders being exploited by RJ". As described, they don't always know where the orders came from, but as they are all bound by their own secrets that might come out, they have to follow the orders at the risk of their own safety.(The risk not just their secrets coming out but someone else killing them for not following orders).

    So, as we have it now, RJ isn't necessarily the leader, but could just just be someone who's part of the group and is using it to further his serial killer hobby.

    Red John wouldn't have to be a charismatic leader, just someone who knows how to push the buttons. That said, I think Bertram and the hunt for him is misdirection. But his killing of the bartender though doesn't make him look to be just "a cop who screwed up once and is now stuck inside the organization".
     
  7. john4200

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    But RJ is charismatic, or at least capable of brainwashing people into adoring him. This has been shown again and again over the years. Quite a few of his minions are fanatically devoted to him.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    Which is why it's a little puzzling that they now seem to be backing away a little, and hinting that RJ is just another member of the Blake Association and not the mastermind behind it.
     
  9. smbaker

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    I'm becoming convinced that it is partridge. Why else would they be fussing with the body in the morgue, other than to take the first step in the "that's not rally partridges body" direction.

    Bertram just doesn't seem like red John should seem to me. Not creepy enough. RJ should have been one step ahead of Jane during the aftermath of the explosion. Bertram was struggling to keep ahead. RJ shouldn't have had to struggle, in particular if he himself planted the bomb.

    For those who watched the preview for next week, there was a voice that I assume to be red john's. who does it sound like to you?

    i didn't think it sounded like bertram. Sounded like a younger man to me.
     
  10. JYoung

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    I'm not talking about the Blakees when I refer to "minions" but people like Loralei, Timothy Carter (Bradley Whitford), Craig, Rebecca, etc.

    Bertram is undoubtedly dirty and a murderer but I don't think he's Red John.
     
  11. Church AV Guy

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    I still think it's Partridge. We saw *A* body, but not his face. And one other thing that they slipped by...
    in the previews for next week, RJ is talking to Jane, and the voice is not remotely similar to Bertram, but is very similar to Partridge.

    This sweeps period will be the end of the RJ matter. What they will be dealing with after this is the Blake organization.

    Oh, and this episode had one other interesting thing. Every time anyone mentioned the "conspiracy" the closed captioning spelled it T-I-G-E-R, which is consistent with what has been in the CC in the past, BUT when Smith quoted the first line of the poem, it was spelled T-Y-G-E-R, so they are using "Tiger, Tiger" deliberately.
     
  12. john4200

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    But surely Jane saw Partridge's body and face when he went to the crime scene with him and Lisbon. Of course, Jane was initially concerned about Lisbon, but he still would not miss a chance to have a careful look at a RJ crime scene, including carefully examining Partridge's body.

    If Partridge does turn out to be alive, there better be a very good explanation for how Jane got tricked. The problem is, the only good explanation I can think of would be a cliche -- identical twins. Distant second best explanation would also be a cliche -- Partridge took one of those handy-dandy drugs to appear dead and then put in a decoy body after he woke up.
     
  13. eddyj

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    This is why Stiles was the only person in "the list" that made any sense.

    The two are not mutually exclusive. RJ may be a criminal mastermind, but only be involved with the Blake people as a convenience to him. He does not have to be their leader. In fact, working from the shadows is more his style.

    I did notice that. So it has been intentional all along.
     
  14. busyba

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    To me, that voice sounded like the POTUS' Chief of Staff from Scandal. :)
     
  15. bryhamm

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    I'll just be glad when the whole RJ thing is over.
     
  16. busyba

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    During his confession, the FBI guy who got shot... did he say that he arranged to create fake credentials so RJ could infiltrate the CBI building and kill that secretary lady who had shot up the place? Am I remembering that correctly?

    If Bertram were RJ, he wouldn't need that, would he?
     
  17. Rob Helmerichs

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    Not really...the strong implication all along has been that all these people are RJ's followers. Now, suddenly, he's peripheral to the larger conspiracy.

    This doesn't read like the expanding awareness of an existing conspiracy. It reads like they changed their minds, and are largely ignoring all that they "exposed" about RJ in the past.
     
  18. Alfer

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    I know they have to do some things for dramatic effect, but seriously, if you were the bartender and saw a news story on the TV behind said supposed "serial killer" why in the WORLD would you point the news story out to the actual guy sitting there? Just shut your mouth, excuse yourself and call the po-po then get the heck out of there.
     
  19. eddyj

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    And how did they immediately know it was Bertram who killed the bartender?
     
  20. ClutchBrake

    ClutchBrake Pass the gravy!

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    I'd guess because his fingerprints were everywhere.
     

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