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The Mentalist: Season Six "Red John: The Final Chapter"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Nov 4, 2013 #81 of 357
    john4200

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    By the way, did anyone catch in last weeks episode (S06E05), the conclusion Jane jumped to -- that the person who killed that woman was RJ? Why couldn't it have been one of RJ's minions?
     
  2. Nov 4, 2013 #82 of 357
    Rob Helmerichs

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    No, they canceled it at the last minute, after it had already gotten out to the "alternate" sites.
     
  3. Nov 5, 2013 #83 of 357
    busyba

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    Interestingly, the promo for "next weeks episode" that CBS ran after the episode last night was clearly for the subsequent episode after the one that should have aired.

    From the promo:
    They said that there were "only three suspects remaining", and they quickly flashed three shots of three of the suspects with "three dot" tattoos on their shoulders. I tried to not pay enough attention to make out who they were, but I think two of them were the FBI guy and the Sheriff.
     
  4. Nov 10, 2013 #84 of 357
    astrohip

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    Yep, lots of dots...
     
  5. Nov 11, 2013 #85 of 357
    john4200

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    I am still concerned that Jane jumped to the conclusion that RJ killed Kira Tinsley.

    What we know is that Kira indicated someone with a tattoo, 3 dots on the left shoulder, was the one who did that to her.

    But unless I missed something, for all we know, it could have been RJ, a RJ minion, or someone not directly related to RJ at all.

    Someone hired Kira to plant a bug at the CBI. It is a good bet (although not certain) that the person who killed her was either the person who hired her, or a hireling of the person who hired her. But that is far from being evidence that the one who Kira saw was RJ.

    Here are some possibilities for Kira's killer:

    1) It was RJ. So we can assume that RJ is a member of the Tyger conspiracy. If we also assume the original list of 7 suspects includes RJ, then we now know that RJ is one of three remaining suspects: McAllister, Reede, or Bertram. But if RJ is one of those three, just arresting him may not end the killing. He probably has other powerful allies, in the Tyger conspiracy and outside, who may continue RJ's "work".

    2) It was a RJ minion. This means we cannot make any certain conclusions about RJ. RJ could be a tattoo-toting member of the Tyger conspiracy, or not (but his minion is). So we still have 5 suspects, including Haffner and Stiles.

    3) No direct relation to RJ. Obviously we cannot draw any conclusions about RJ in this case. So again we are left with 5 suspects. Maybe this is less likely, since the killer was a member of the Tyger conspiracy, and one would think the Tyger conspiracy would have better ways to bug the CBI than using a two-bit private detective. Whereas RJ, if he has Tyger conspiracy connections, may not be able to utilize their full power if he is trying to hide his identity from most of the other members.
     
  6. Nov 13, 2013 #86 of 357
    unixadm

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    I'm beginning to suspect that NONE of the suspects are Red John. RJ is a master manipulator....even more than Patrick Jane. Jane was spooked that the video of Lorelei listed every suspect that he had. I'm thinking that RJ has left breadcrumbs for Jane to follow that led him to each of the suspects..all being misdirection. Jane is being played big time by RJ, in my opinion and the final reveal will be someone else that isn't currently a suspect.

    There are also clues that could lead us to believe that Jane himself is RJ. but I've heard that the producers have said that isn't the case...but then again, Lost producers said they weren't in purgatory....and we saw how that ended. I was thinking that Jane could be schizophrenic and really is RJ and doesn't realize it. That would explain why he sleeps so much on the couch, why RJ has so much info and how RJ killed people that had special meaning to Jane that no one else knew. If Jane was RJ, the final reveal would be the end of the show, so that apparently is not the case since the series is continuing after the reveal.

    Spoiler that reference actor changes
    With the announcement that Rigsby and Van Pelt will be leaving.....could Rigsby be RJ ?
     
  7. Nov 14, 2013 #87 of 357
    smbaker

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    haven't the producers told us that red John is one of the suspects?


    Never mind, I see unix admin wrote the above in his post... Does anyone have a link to their comments? I'd like to read exactly what they say to be sure there's no easy way to wiggle out of it.
     
  8. Nov 14, 2013 #88 of 357
    GDG76

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    Minor nitpick/pet peeve..

    Schizophrenia is NOT multiple personality disorder! If you have ever had to deal with someone who is truly schizophrenic, there is no comparing the two (especially since almost every case of "multiple personality disorder" has been debunked as fake and I can guarantee you, schizophrenia is quite real).

    Before I get nitpicked myself, DID is real: http://psychcentral.com/lib/dispelling-myths-about-dissociative-identity-disorder/0009785 but the idea of multiple personalities living in one body is a bunch of malarkey.
     
  9. Nov 17, 2013 #89 of 357
    john4200

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    S06E07 "The Great Red Dragon"

    That was awful. The worst Mentalist episode I can think of. So many people behaving in ways that are just stupid or makes no sense. I would list examples, but I am trying to blank out most of this episode.

    The only things I am wondering about are who lost the foot in the explosion; and if Bertram really is RJ (still not 100% convinced), does he have connections to Visualize? Or how do they explain the near fanatical devotion of many of RJ's followers who are clearly not just following the rules of the Blake Association, but are fanatically devoted to RJ himself.
     
  10. Nov 17, 2013 #90 of 357
    Azlen

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    If you're going to start a secret criminal organization, the last thing you want to do is mark yourself with an identifiable tattoo. How completely ridiculous is that?
     
  11. Nov 18, 2013 #91 of 357
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    I don't totally buy him as RJ. It's been obvious since the end of the third season that he was at least a minion, but he doesn't match the physical description we've been given in the past. Plus, RJ has been shown to have some sort of ties to Visualize.
     
  12. Nov 18, 2013 #92 of 357
    Thom

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    I would have said that Red John is the sheriff, except that Cho said they had positive ID on the three bomb victims.

    The bomb killed Stiles and Reed Diamond (?), who were left sitting on the couch after Jane had the sheriff move from the couch to join Bertram and the FBI agent, all three of whom had the tattoo.

    The bomb did not kill Bertram, Jane, or the FBI agent, which means Stiles and Reed Diamond were closer to the bomb, which means the bomb was in or around the couch. The sheriff could have left the bomb in the couch when he moved to join the other tattooed suspects.

    I wonder if the sheriff will turn up later, having falsified his own dental and /or DNA records so that the third body was mis-identified.

    Of course, that would raise the question of how the sheriff planted the third body, which probably means I've over-thought it...LOL...
     
  13. Nov 18, 2013 #93 of 357
    AeneaGames

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    Sigh, when is this mess finally over?
     
  14. Nov 18, 2013 #94 of 357
    astrohip

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    This is the part that disappointed me the most. It makes so little sense, other than to advance the plot.

    I was really hoping, after all these years, that the final Red John/Patrick Jane showdown would be more than just a part of some giant conspiracy.
     
  15. Nov 18, 2013 #95 of 357
    Donbadabon

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    This show is really turning into "How I Met Red John".

    I am ready for them to clean this storyline up and get back to the show.

    Tiger Tiger. Sigh.
     
  16. Nov 18, 2013 #96 of 357
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    ??Get back to the show?? The show has been about "Find Red John" since day one. I just watched the first episode last week ... I don't think I had ever seen it before.

    The two things that drive me nuts are: (1) How does someone as dysfunctional as Patrick Jane get a job in law enforcement?? To my way of thinking, he's got way too many 'issues' to be any good at what he's trying to do. He spends way too much time laying down on the sofa. And (2) How can the whole police department spend so much time and manpower working on ONE CASE ... for what, almost ten years??
     
  17. Nov 18, 2013 #97 of 357
    Idearat

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    I'm also not convinced they're chasing the real Red John, nor do I think Jane does either. The bodies blown to bits is a too-common plot device for someone to disappear. There was also a bit of a leap when Jane asked Lisbon about the new public relations person before making the announcement. We never saw them conclude he was RJ. So, I'm thinking the whole chase for Bertram is just misdirection.

    I liked that when the FBI took over the CBI office all the other agents were jumping up and moving while Cho and Rigsby just sat there staring at him. If I was Lisbon, I would have insisted the FBI agent from Austin show me his shoulder. The description of The Association included judges not just cops, so there's a possibility that the judge who issued the writ was sporting a tattoo as well.
     
  18. Nov 18, 2013 #98 of 357
    Donbadabon

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    Yes. While Red John has been part of the show since the beginning, the early episodes dealt more with Patrick solving other cases, and Red John was in the background. Now it is almost all Red John.
     
  19. Nov 18, 2013 #99 of 357
    astrohip

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    I don't have a problem with Red John becoming the temporary main focus of every recent episode, as the producers have said this is the end of the RJ story. So they need to make it (and it deserves to be) The Main Event. I always thought that PJ and RJ thought of themselves as the Smartest Guys in the Room. And this would be a Mentalist showdown. But it's turned into The Manchurian Candidate.
     
  20. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yeah, the problem with the focus on Red John as they pass through the endgame is that it focuses us on just how lame the Red John storyline has turned out to be.

    That's one problem with making stuff up as you go along...sometimes you end up writing checks that you can't cash.
     

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