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The Mentalist: Season Six "Red John: The Final Chapter"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Oct 9, 2013 #21 of 357
    mr.unnatural

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    That would be fine if 60 Minutes actually aired at 7PM. The reality is that it airs anywhere between 7 and 8PM and sometimes even later. If there's a late afternoon game on CBS then everything is pretty much guaranteed to get pushed back. I believe the later games are now starting at 4:30PM instead of 4 so that there's no overlap with the earlier 1:00 games. I stopped watching 60 Minutes over 15 years ago due to their screwed up schedule.
     
  2. Oct 18, 2013 #22 of 357
    astrohip

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    Potential episode title spoiler (but no real spoiler info; just an episode title):

    Episode 9 (S6E9) is "My Blue Heaven". Since Mentalist episodes are usually red based, could this be a sign that something will change in (or has changed by) ep9?
     
  3. Oct 18, 2013 #23 of 357
    steve614

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    Jane just wanted to clean up Lisbon's face. He was so appalled that RJ would do that to her, that he rushed to get the water to accomplish that goal.
     
  4. Oct 18, 2013 #24 of 357
    bacevedo

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    Mabye that's what we are supposed to think, but it just seemed odd to me that he came running from the house asking for water. I thought he would run back in to the house to give her water but then she was already in the ambulance. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it just struck me as odd at the time.

    It's going to be kind of annoying to have them give each suspect something that makes them the likely "Red John" as they did in the latest episode with the sheriff. Instead of trying to figure out who the real Red John is, I am just going to wait until the reveal as there is so much misdirection.
     
  5. Oct 18, 2013 #25 of 357
    busyba

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    Maybe they're all Red John, like in Murder on the Orient Express. :)
     
  6. Oct 19, 2013 #26 of 357
    Church AV Guy

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    I agree that he wanted to clean the blood off her face, but I'm not exactly sure why. Was he protecting her from the trauma, or did he not want anyone to know except RJ and himself, hoping one of them would slip up and say something about it.
     
  7. Oct 19, 2013 #27 of 357
    john4200

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    Obviously not the latter.
     
  8. Oct 21, 2013 #28 of 357
    Shakhari

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    One more suspect gone. I was a bit surprised, because I had him pegged at least as a minion, but it was a nice twist that Jane isn't the only one seeking revenge.

    I also thought it was interesting that they addressed the "Patrick Jane is Red John" rumor too.
     
  9. Oct 21, 2013 #29 of 357
    busyba

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    I imagine we'll be seeing the actor sometime in the future playing the twin brother.

    So if the FBI agent is part of the Tyger conspiracy, then the sheriff and Bertram probably are as well (based on that meeting the 3 of them were having in Bertram's office?), and probably none of them are Red John (if any of them were, I would think the body language of the other 2 in the meeting would have been completely different). So it's either Reed or Styles.

    My money is on Reed.


    So what was that conversation between Jane and Kirkland after Kirkland was taken into custody about? Kirkland said he had stuff to say, but couldn't say it there and that Jane should come see him some time and Jane said okay. But both of them had to have known that Kirkland was a dead man walking. Why not tell Jane everything right then?
     
  10. Oct 21, 2013 #30 of 357
    Shakhari

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    You mean Ray Haffner? It's certainly beginning to look that way. Styles certainly seems to have some sort of connection to Red John and Red John has some sort of connection to Visualize, but I can't see the head of the cult being able to take off and kill people whenever he wants without anyone noticing. Plus Ray more closely resembles the physical description of Red John we've heard. Styles does not.
     
  11. Oct 21, 2013 #31 of 357
    verdugan

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    Totally agree. They know red John has minions in law enforcement, and they've killed witnesses/prisioners before (one inside the CBI building,) and they really thought they'd get a chance to talk later?

    If I was Kirkland, I wouldn't have gotten out of the van.
     
  12. Oct 21, 2013 #32 of 357
    busyba

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    Yes. I keep forgetting that Reed is the actor's name, not the character's. :)
     
  13. Oct 21, 2013 #33 of 357
    john4200

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    I don't think that was an option, since Kirkland surely realized the driver was complicit as well.

    But running was stupid. Kirkland should have come to the edge of the van, got Reede to look away for a second (maybe by looking intently behind Reede), and then jumped on Reede and maybe used the chain as a weapon. Then get Reede's gun and shoot the driver. Probably worse than a 50/50 chance at surviving, but that is better than a near 100% chance of dying if he runs.
     
  14. Oct 21, 2013 #34 of 357
    john4200

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    The other members of the conspiracy might not necessarily know who RJ is, so I'm not sure what you are getting at with body language.

    Last season, before the seven were revealed, I thought someone high up from Visualize was the most likely suspect, since RJ has such fanatical devotion with many of his minions, as well as apparent connections with politicians and law enforcement. But I did not think it was Stiles himself. It could still be Ray Haffner, who is a member of Visualize. But RJ is also heavily invested in Tyger, Tyger, and I don't recall seeing any evidence that Haffner is in the Tyger conspiracy. Maybe it is Haffner working together with one or more of the Tyger conspiracy people.

    But this Tyger conspiracy is interesting, since it provides the kind of connections and information that would help RJ do what he does. Although it does not easily explain the fanatical devotion of his minions. Reede did say something about it being bigger than Kirkland knew, so maybe there is something else that could explain that.

    Here is my suspect list, with the most likely first:

    Haffner (with a partner, maybe Bertram, Reede, or Mcallister)
    Bertram
    Reede
    Mcallister
    Stiles

    Now that we know that Kirkland got a fake list, I am at a loss how to explain RJ knowing the seven suspects. I suppose some minion could still have been carefully watching Jane's room before and after Kirkland stole the fake list (hidden camera?). There was probably enough information in that room, over the many weeks Jane was working there, to deduce the suspect list, but RJ or minions would have to have gone through days and days of footage to figure it out. And Jane should have found a hidden camera, as obsessive as he is. So I'm baffled.
     
  15. Oct 21, 2013 #35 of 357
    verdugan

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    He either could've have fought like you said, or forced the FBI agent to shoot him in the van therefore making it harder to say that he was shot while escaping.

    Anything other than let himself be killed like a siting duck.
     
  16. Oct 22, 2013 #36 of 357
    verdugan

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    Oh and Van Pelt sure lost all her pregnacy weight. No need for a "Is Amanda Righetti fat?" thread!
     
  17. Oct 22, 2013 #37 of 357
    jeepair

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    I don't see why the Homeland agent, Kirkland?, would take the first body and drive it all the way back to wherever he dumped it. Since he was in the woods he would have dumped it there. The story should have started with several people previously prosecuted? apprehended? by CBI have disappeared.
     
  18. Oct 22, 2013 #38 of 357
    late for dinner

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    nice abs, particularly impressive after have a baby not that long ago.
     
  19. Oct 22, 2013 #39 of 357
    T-Wolves

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    As far as I'm concerned, Bradley Whitford was Red John. The writers have just been jerking us around since Jane killed him a couple seasons back in a very satisfying season-ending episode.

    I can't wait until this season is over and they hopefully finally move on.
     
  20. Oct 22, 2013 #40 of 357
    IDSmoker

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    Not sure how I feel about them using the "Tiger, Tiger" conspiracy to provide the show with an over arching 'quest' after Red John has been dealt with, as seems to be their intention.

    Or am I reading too much into this?
     

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