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The Mentalist - 05/05/2013 - Red John's Rules

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Donbadabon, May 7, 2013.

  1. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

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    That's been my pet theory because it fits so many observations, particularly from this episode, though I certainly hope it isn't true (and don't expect it to be true, it would be a colossal letdown).

    Now I'm going to go read the article and see if Heller dispels this theory or not.

    My bet is on Brett Partridge. Using a minor character that appeared all the way back in the pilot would be just the sort of thing they'd do.
     
  2. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    By the way, the timeline of Lorelei's death and Kirkland's men photographing Jane's bulletin board is somewhat vague (as far as I can tell).

    In There Will Be Blood (S05E16), Lorelei's body was shown, but it was "two weeks later" from the rest of the episode. Kirkland's men got into Jane's room in Red Letter Day (S05E19), but it is not clear to me where that fits in the timeline with respect to Lorelei's death.

    However, Jane had his board quite filled up "two weeks later" at the end of There Will Be Blood when Lisbon came to get him and take him to Lorelei's body. Also, it was in Red Sails in the Sunset (S05E08) when Lorelei mentioned Jane shaking hands with RJ. So it is still possible that someone -- RJ, Kirkland's men, or someone else -- had already seen the board, before Lorelei was killed, and used that information to deduce Jane's suspect list and then have Lorelei read it.
     
  3. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I suppose it's possible, but unless there's something explicit to show that episodes are overlapping in time, I think we have to assume that episodes run consecutively and that episode 17 picks up at some point after the very end (the "two weeks later" end) of episode 16.

    I think the only reason for the "two weeks later" tag is that there necessarily would have to be some time to go by before Lorelei could track down RJ, get captured by him, record the video, get killed and get her body dumped somewhere.
     
  4. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Since Jane clearly had his board full when Lisbon got him to take him to Lorelei's body, it is obviously possible for someone to have seen the board (for example, a day or two before Lorelei's body was found) and then got the information to RJ for Lorelei to read. I do not claim it had to be Kirkland's men (at least in the scene we saw of them getting in) to Kirkland to RJ, it could have been other people. But the point is that there was certainly time enough between when Jane got most of his information up on his board and when Lorelei was killed for RJ to use that information to deduce Jane's suspect list.
     
  5. Waldorf

    Waldorf Super Duper Member

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    Was it just me or did Jane completely clear his board and .. burn it all in this episode?

    Isn't that destroying evidence and obstruction of justice? I feel like I'm missing something because they didn't really address it.
     
  6. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    There was no evidence burned. Any evidence would have been in the usual place (evidence room, etc.).

    I'm not sure why you think he can be charged with obstruction. Who exactly did he obstruct? Generally the charge is for lying to police. It is not against the law to remain silent.
     
  7. Waldorf

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    I thought when he moved into the attic or whatever room that is, he brought all the boxes from storage and evidence up with him. The board was full of head shots, evidence reports, etc. Even if it was just copies of it all, you would think Lisbon would say something. Like, "So.. that's it? I guess you've given up now that you have it narrowed down?" And why burn it all? why not just store it in case he's wrong?

    I was just thinking if he burned it all, it would really put a dent in the case once they actually arrest, press charges, etc. but maybe that was The Macallan talking. :eek:
     
  8. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    I think he burned his own copies and and notes, not official evidence and records. Since he remembers it all, there is no reason to keep it, and reason to get rid of it (assuming he has anything that the bad guys did not already see).
     
  9. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    Which brings up a question, why keep written notes in the first place?

    If Jane's memory is as good as we seem to think it is, he wouldn't need written notes as it would all be in his head.

    So if that's the case, it's possible that his written notes were a ploy as we know he was checking to see if someone broke into his "office".
     
  10. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Could be. But I think even for Jane it is easier to analyze data with visual aids. Once the analysis is done, it is easy for him to remember the results.
     
  11. Fl_Gulfer

    Fl_Gulfer Tivo's R Us

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    I hope they off RJ next season... I believe to be Bret Stiles
     
  12. Azlen

    Azlen Active Member

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    I'm curious if RJ is going to go after the other suspects next season. Use that to whittle down the list a bit.
     

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