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The Leftovers S1E6 "Guest" 8/03/14

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Ment, Aug 6, 2014.

  1. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    And again, you're assuming A) That the person answers "yes"; B) That "religious" means "Christian"; C) That "Christian" means "American Fundamentalist"; and D) That the person is able to reconcile what happened with Fundamentalist American rapture theology. None of which is a given. Except, apparently, in your mind. Which is what I just can't understand.
     
  2. Test

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    You saw the ending of this episode right? Nora interviews the lady and she clearly answers yes to 120
     
  3. busyba

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    Ok, that accounts for "A". Not B-D.
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    So how does that imply that everybody would answer the question that way?
     
  5. Test

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    Ehhhhh she didn't seem Jewish
     
  6. Test

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    I don't get how you don't get this.

    This is how I've been watching the show...from posts in the other episode threads I was under the impression this was the rapture. There is also a book that this show is based off of, so I'm thinking people here have read it and are posting with info from that.

    2% of the worlds population just up and vanish! a religious Christian would have to think rapture.

    Working under that...When asking 120 and having it answered "yes" how could the answer to 121 be "no"?
     
  7. Jim_TV

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    Clearly, not every character on the show thinks the departure was a rapture even if some of them are religious in some way, shape or form. Who knows exactly what a rapture would look like anyway? Most of the characters are rightfully confused by what happened, and understandably so.
     
  8. Dawghows

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    Most notably, in fact, the most obviously religious character on the show: the preacher himself. He's done everything he can to convince people that it wasn't The Rapture.

    (Although his reasoning is at odds with what I posted earlier about the teachings from my more-or-less Fundamentalist upbringing. But, ya know, beliefs differ from person to person, church to church, denomination to denomination, and TV show to TV show.)
     
  9. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    And the fact that you apparently can't see that not everybody would answer 120 "yes" boggles my mind.
     
  10. cherry ghost

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    120 is if the departed was religious. 121 is if the person being interviewed thinks the departed is in a better place.

    Just because my departed relative is religious and I answer "yes" to 120, doesn't mean I, not religious, think they're in a better place.
     
  11. aaronwt

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    How do they know the people died? They don't have any clue what happened to the people. Only that they disappeared.

    There was a report on the News recently about China. IN it this man had one of his kids taken by the government almost ten years ago and supposedly put up for adoption. He doesn't really know for sure. But every day he wakes up and wants to know what happened to his child. Is she alive? Is she adopted? Is she Ok? he has absolutely no idea and the fact that he doesn't know haunts him every day almost a decade later.

    Now take the situation with the Leftoever. A bunch of people disappear. There is no rhyme or reason to it. It doesn't fit with any religious writings and people have absolutely no idea what happened to them. Most people would be looking for answers. But the problem is there are no answers. Only speculation and conjecture. They have no idea what happened. Only that their loved ones vanished. There is no proof of anything. The not knowing would be maddening.
     
  12. getbak

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    It's not really at odds with Fundamentalist teachings. I would think that the people who most-strongly believe in the Fundamentalist viewpoint of the Rapture would be the most likely to believe that whatever happened to the departed, it wasn't the Rapture.

    As you said, the Fundamentalist belief is that a person's actions have no bearing on whether or not they get into Heaven. The one and only determining factor is if they've truly and sincerely accepted Jesus as their saviour.

    If this event were the Rapture as defined by the Fundamentalist belief system, the only people who would have disappeared would have been Christians.

    Early in the first episode of the series, we see the scientist guy presenting his findings to the hearing. He clearly says that there was no discernible single link tying together the people who disappeared, including religion. It was 2% of everyone. 2% of the world's Christians and 2% of the world's atheists. 2% of the world's Muslims, Hindus, Satanists, etc.

    That is completely contradictory to the Fundamentalist belief of what will happen during the Rapture.
     
  13. Dawghows

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    Right. I don't disagree with his assertion that this was not The Rapture, and the reasons you gave -- the fact that not only Christians were taken -- are exactly correct. I'm saying that his reasoning on the show -- by which I mean, he's running around pointing out all the bad things some of the departed had done -- is at odds with Fundamentalist teachings.
     
  14. Test

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    I never said everyone would answer 120 yes
     
  15. Test

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    That's true, this was before when I thought the 120 question was are you a religious person. Busyba clarified that 120 is actually asking about the departed not the one being questioned.
     
  16. Ment

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    Watched the end scene with Nora and the relative again. Question 121 had a yes/no and then a 'please explain below' under it which would immediately allow the questioner to interject with leading clarifications to influence the resulting answer explaining how Nora's surveys always had yes to 121.

    Then I looked at Question 122 'In your opinion was the departed a racist' lol that is messed up.
     
  17. Steveknj

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    Have they mentioned what's in it for the person answering the questionnaire? Is this a government sponsored thing that these people are required to answer? If someone came to me with a very personal 120+ question questionnaire, I'd tell them to go take a flying leap and the heck out of my house!!
     
  18. Ment

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    They get money from a fund kind of like the 9/11 family survivors.
     
  19. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Thanks for the clarification. I've been trying to figure out what would compel these people sit there and bring up all this pent up emotion and answer dozens of questions. I guess money will help convince some people.
     
  20. innocentfreak

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    I hate shows that never explain though so it looks like this series will be a skip for me.
     

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