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The Killing -- "What I Know" OAD 6.17.12 -- Season Finale

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Bierboy, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I think both with this show and BG, a lot of it has to do with what matters to you. Long-term structure and story are very important to me, and both of those shows are ones that not only don't care about that, but seem actively contemptuous of people who do. If you're into moment-to-moment characterization, acting, directing, etc., then cool. It seems to me that BG and The Killing are both shows whose structures are inherently tied to big-picture storytelling, and obviously the people who wrote those shows disagree with me.

    The reason I kept harping on the shortcomings of The Killing (and, for that matter, BG) was that if you're going to have a show centered on a single over-arching plot, then that over-arching plot should be central to the show. And when the over-arching plot falls short, it's cause for serious disappointment. And when the showrunner publicly expresses contempt for people who expect the show to live up to its format (which happened explicitly with BG, and implicitly with The Killing), then I guess I take it a little personally that they basically tricked me into watching a show under false pretenses ("They have a plan"; "This is a show about a murder investigation") and then tried to blame me for being disappointed when it turned out to be something else.

    But if you were looking for something else altogether and were happy with what you found, then good for you. I hope my disappointment doesn't devalue your satisfaction...any more than your satisfaction devalues my disappointment. We obviously had very different experience with this show (these shows), and that's all right, because we're different people. If I've somehow given the impression that I think there's something wrong with you for liking the show, I apologize. But likewise, I hope you'll accept that there's nothing wrong with me for being disappointed.

    I think "poison" and "haters," however, are very unfair ways to characterize somebody who honestly disagrees with you.
     
  2. getreal

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    First, I wasn't directing my comments towards you, or anyone specific, so ... nothing personal. :) I have not read all of the posts throughout the show threads, so I was not aware of your specific complaints about the show.

    My use of the term "haters" is just that it has become a common interwebs term. I suppose I could've used "flamers", but that term now seems "so last century".

    My use of "poison" is more personal for me, as I mean that when negative (poison) gets into my brain by exposure to outside influences (negative things people say or write), it starts to destroy my "innocence" and infect my thoughts. I couldn't use "viral", as that seems to now have positive connotations -- e.g., you WANT your video to "go viral".

    Anyway, as I said, I feel that I got more enjoyment out of this particular series by avoiding the threads until after I could gauge my own unspoiled/unsoiled thoughts about it.

    It was indeed about a murder investigation at its core, and how the death of a "nobody*" can have such far-reaching consequences in so many ways.

    Each red herring was presented believably, and it was encouraging to see that the central investigators had enough of an open mind to pursue new leads and change their hypothesis of the crime.

    Bravo!

    * By "nobody", I am referring to Jaime's use of that term while arguing with Ames, just before Terry pushed the car into the lake.
     
  3. DLiquid

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    Rob, I often agree with your criticisms, but sometimes the shortcomings being discussed don't take that much away from my enjoyment of the show, at least if I'm not reading the threads. Getreal's description of "poison" is what I sometimes experience too. With the negatives constantly being pointed out each week, it starts to "infect my thoughts" and take away from my enjoyment of the show. It also has a tendency to infect the forum, and the show discussions become less about the story and more about the problems with the show.
     
  4. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Active Member

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    Just finished the 2nd season after a 4 day marathon. After Episode 8 Entertainment Weekly kindly told me who the killer was so that made my watching of the last 5 episodes quite different. I was very surprised when it appeared to be Jamie and wondered if I misread something (after seeing the headline and a picture and trying to burn it from my memory).

    I am admittedly a forgiving TV watcher and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. In a strange way I think my enjoyment was enhanced by knowing who the killer was and trying to figure out how it would end up that way.
     
  5. bryhamm

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    Really enjoyed the ending. I was in the same boat as someone else here mentioned ... when Jaime was revealed it was too early and I knew that something else was up, but I just didn't know what.
     
  6. MegaHertz67

    MegaHertz67 Registered Smart Ass

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    I liked how the series wrapped up. But I think it will be difficult to come back for a third season for a few reasons.

    1. There were a lot of ticked off people after season 1 that didn't come back for season 2. Those that did got a good story, but they came back for the closure. Will they want to start over again with a new story?

    2. Other shows with similarly overarching story lines were not able to jump start a new one after the first was done. Twin Peaks comes quickly to mind.

    3. While the chemistry between Holder and Linden was wonderful and the most interesting part of the show, it was born of them being thrust together as she was leaving as he was being promoted. I don't know if it's sustainable and interesting going forward.

    I will not look at The Killing as 2 seasons where the showrunner lied to us about closure at the end of season 1. I will look at the 26 episodes as 1 good long season of an interesting show that I enjoyed watching.

    Yes there were red herrings that led nowhere and loose ends that didn't tie neatly together at the end, but Lord knows there were enough of those in other shows like Lost, that I was still able to watch and enjoy.
     

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