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The Good Place - S01E10 - Chidi's Choice OAD 1/5/17

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Maui, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. eddyj

    eddyj SeƱor Member TCF Club

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    And where is "real" Jason?
     
  2. Shakhari

    Shakhari Well-Known Member

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    I think you mean the real Jianyu. I've been wondering that too.
     
  3. midas

    midas I heard that

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    That's probably the cliffhanger for next season. And now that Jason has married Janet, will we see an immigration arc for his story?
     
  4. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Who is Shawn?
    Well, Eleanor was mixed up with the "real" Eleanor because they had the exact same name and died within milliseconds of each other in the same parking lot. But the issue with Jason/Jianyu might be completely different, since their names are different and so far we've seen no evidence that the real Jianyu was in Florida. So it's entirely possible that the reason Jason is in the Good Place is not due to a mix-up with the "real" Jianyu, but due to an entirely different type of mistake.
     
  5. gweempose

    gweempose Active Member

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    I was clueless about this as well. Had to look it up. Apparently, Shawn is the "eternal judge" that Trevor (Adam Scott) mentions in episode 9.
     
  6. KungFuCow

    KungFuCow Thread Killer

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    Yea.. they mentioned in this last episode that they were preparing for Shawn's arrival so he's for sure going to show up.. I figure thats going to be the season cliffhanger.
     
  7. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    Another thought that I had is that Jason marrying Janet has an interesting ethics argument for Chidi.
    Is Janet self aware enough to give consent?

    I have to say that I love this show.
    Smart writing makes it both funny and touching.

    I particularly liked that they didn't "Melrose Place" Eleanor and Tahani but showed that they are forging a true, albeit a tad odd, friendship.

    BTW, the NBC app and website have an extended version of this episode available.
     
  8. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    Neither Janet nor Michael are human. I don't see any reason to believe that Janet is any less self-aware than Michael...
     
  9. midas

    midas I heard that

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    I haven't seen any leaks online about who plays Sean, so it's possible we never see the character. But if he does exist, I'd love to William Shatner as, sort of, the same character he played on 3RD Rock From The Sun. Shelley Long would be a nice touch too.
     
  10. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    Not to go all Westworld but:
    Janet appears to be an artificial intelligence that is programmed to act as a general assistant/helper for everyone in the Good Place.

    If she's programmed to please the residents, did she marry Jason because she wanted to or because her directive to please residents said she should?
     
  11. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    Not to go all Westworld back, but how do we know that Michael isn't the same thing, just programmed to create/administer neighborhoods?

    And I'm not even sure what "artificial intelligence" really means, in the context of a supernatural afterlife...
     
  12. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    He was nice to her.
     
  13. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    But while Michael has given every indication of being sentient, Janet has told us her programming, and has been rebooted. She didn't even care if she was turned off, though she warned us she was programmed to appear to care.

    Janet gives the appearance of a non-sentient AI. Extremely powerful computer program but no actual self-awareness or motivation. I do not believe she is capable of giving consent, any more than Amazon Alexa or Apple Siri are.
     
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  14. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    Alexa isn't? Oh, no!
     
  15. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

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    As Ereth points out, we have every reason to believe that Michael is completely sentient and has been shown as having complex emotional responses to the point of anxiety attacks over the design of the Good Place.

    Pre reboot, Janet had no indication of true sentience and has referred her programming and since being rebooted, has referred to that event numerous times.

    Recognizing and responding to Jason's kindness could be the beginning spark of sentience.

    Since this is a comedy and not a Jonathan Nolan drama, I think that it's more likely that element is to indicate that while Jason is pretty much a complete doofus, there is a good heart under all those layers of doofusness.

    Like I said though, potentially interesting ethical argument for Chidi.
     
  16. midas

    midas I heard that

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    I don't think Janet has any layers. She is the dictionary example of shallow. So shallow, in fact, that she's perfect for Jason.
     

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