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The Free Space Indicator Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Suggestion Avenue' started by Samsara, Jan 12, 2002.

How Important is This to You?

  1. It's so important that I'd pay extra for it.

    158 vote(s)
    9.1%
  2. It's important but I wouldn't pay extra for it.

    1,306 vote(s)
    75.5%
  3. Not important, but I'd probably use it if it was free.

    219 vote(s)
    12.7%
  4. I'd probably never use it one way or the other.

    46 vote(s)
    2.7%
  1. Jul 15, 2002 #81 of 297
    GambleR

    GambleR New Member

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    Although many MIPS have been expended on this already, I will add --
    Another two cents:

    Some indication of TiVo capacity utilization and its effect on program retention is fundimental to the usage of the equipment. I was frankly shocked that this was not part of the deal (I am a very new TiVoer).

    I just upgraded my system in order to satisfy my wife's gripe that shows she wanted to watch were being deleted 'too soon'. More space will help but it does not solve the fundamental issue of helping me to manage my program space.

    Maybe I am ignorant but here is what I would do if I were king of the product plan.

    1. on Now Showing display the percent of capacity used by each program in a simple column. Show a total of capacity used.

    2. on Now Showing display a projected deletion date

    a. allow sorting by capacity or deletion date
    b. allow reordering by deletion date (i.e. bump a program up or down the retention stack)
    c. or give me a button / click that lets me easily add 48 hrs to the program retention

    The above is simple, easy to understand (I don't care if you think it is misleading :eek: ), and useful to me. This doesn't have to be rocket science. People adjust to information and experiences over time and will develop a feel for how the system behaves. We have had the experience but we lack the information presented to allow for this adjustment.
     
  2. Jul 15, 2002 #82 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    Nice to hear from a new voice (especially if it advocates some sort of FSI):rolleyes:

    I agree with your ideas as stated, except I am not too clear on number 2).

    I feel a "single line" statement indicating the projected upcoming overall deletion date based on NP AND TDL. would eliminate the need to SCAN to determine which particular recordings are soon vulnerable. until that time is close.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2002 #83 of 297
    rbird

    rbird uses tivo "wrong"

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    If you're new, you might not be aware of this. Software 3.0 has a "sort Now Playing" hidden feature. Pressing Slow-0-Record-ThumbsUp while in the NP screen activates it, then pressing "2" sorts by expiration date. It's tremendously useful to me. Of course, I'd love it even more if they would revamp the entire expiration concept. There's no reason for everything to "expire" after two days by default. In fact, it's just plain silly (but I beat that horse to death months ago and won't go there again right now).

    I bet I watch less than 10% of my recorded programs before that two days is up. Yet another failing of the "TiVo. TV Your Way" mantra.

    Bob
     
  4. Jul 15, 2002 #84 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    West Hills,...
    SAMSARA..

    I am so glad you started this Poll!!!

    Maybe now some of those dissenter's who have been so persistently insisting that they know what we want and need, will see the numbers and realize just how much in the minority they are!!!:D

    19 to 1 (Why can't TiVo see those numbers and finally submit to our wishes (demands):confused:
     
  5. Jul 15, 2002 #85 of 297
    HTH

    HTH No Avatar Selected

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    That should be "Hear! Hear!", as in "Listen to what this man is saying with which I agree!" The idiom has nothing to do with the location known as "here".

    "Clamouring" not "clam-mering". It has absolutely nothing to do with "clamming up". I tried to be more subtle in my correction on this before.

    My point it is that it is redundant, and has been demonstrated on several instances to be confusing by people who have manually counted up what they've recorded and still can't figure out why they can't schedule a movie next week. We have people deleting recordings that will have already been deleted by the time the show they want to schedule will air. Giving a FSI would only cost TiVo more in calls to their help line from users who, with misleading numbers they think will back them up, complaining that their TiVo's capacity is less than advertised.

    And the fact that there is a system in place to inform you when capacity gets low; you only have to use it. But then that's probably one of those things you personally find useless or a "Gimmick" and you choose not to use it, only to make noise that you want something else.

    I'd expect such people would be more regularly exposed to TiVo's existing method of communicating remaining capacity and get useful information out of it, that they don't have the opportunity to acquire a large number of expired recordings in a neglectful manner.

    And I'm so very annoyed by people who latch onto an advertising slogan and demand from it that TiVo perform for them when they refuse to perform for themselves. Sorry, but TiVo is not Turing-complete; it does not have an infinite tape upon which it can record data forever without any loss. Such a machine does not exist.

    I would not presume to speak for the majority ("most"), and neither, I feel, should you.
     
  6. Jul 16, 2002 #86 of 297
    GambleR

    GambleR New Member

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    I don't have V 3.0 yet. :(
    I am a DTiVo user and understand that if I am REALLY, REALLY GOOD then I may expect it this Fall.

    Things expire after two days? Wow. Why can't you change the default expiration duration? It seems like there should be a panel that allows you to configure some of these obvious things. After all it is a COMPUTER.
     
  7. Jul 16, 2002 #87 of 297
    GambleR

    GambleR New Member

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    On number 2).

    Basically I thought there had been enough discussion on deletion date. I don't care how it is computed (I understand that the TiVo should basically know when something is projected to go bye-bye). My assumption is that for the basic user who has, say, 35 hrs of capacity that their overall deletion date will necessitate some sort of program management intervention. I know that whenever I look at Now Showing that I am thinking of program management and priorities. While I am thinking of this I would like to have some more tool than just the clear button or SUID.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2002 #88 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    West Hills,...
    OK HTH.....I will desperately attempt to avoid getting personal here, but....


    1) Your need to correct my possible misuse of a word or two, is very indicative of how you have this urgency to be contrary. ;)
    Wow, I'll bet you can find a few to feed on right there:rolleyes:

    2) I think this obsession with the feeling that any kind of FSI (or version thereof) would cause many calls to TiVo CS is definitely a "presumption" on your part. All that need be is an instruction that the "Upcoming Deletion Date" is not only an estimate, but that it includes the CURRENT TDL.

    Also, does the word "Disclaimer" ring a bell.

    3) Obviously, TiVo DOES NOT have a method in place to warn you of when the capacity gets low. At least not one that is easily discern able, and does not let you know "in advance"

    4) Finally, as far as my "presuming" to speak for the majority. Just look at the numbers!!!!! 19-1. Of course, you can't presume to speak for the majority, as you are obviously in the "Minority" on this subject.

    BTW..... I will be using the "SpellCheck" (as I almost always do), to try to keep your corrections to a minimum.
     
  9. Jul 17, 2002 #89 of 297
    phone1

    phone1 ?????????

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    19 to 1? I voted for option three: NOT IMPORTANT. Would I look at it? Sure, if it was there, but I don't feel my life would be forever changed.

    Please don't lump those of us who voted that option in with those of you who feel this is a "must have" feature. There are many other features and improvements that TiVo should devote resources to first. That changes the number to 3 to 1 as of this post.
     
  10. Jul 17, 2002 #90 of 297
    rbird

    rbird uses tivo "wrong"

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    Even 3-1 is quite a healthy majority.

    This has GOT to be right up there at the top of the list of most requested features.

    Of course even I have to admit that 318 total votes is not really representative of the nearly 500,000 Tivo owners.

    Bob
     
  11. Jul 17, 2002 #91 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    "3 to 1" ????

    I know it's been a long time since I took math in school, but it couldn't have changed that much. Am I missing something? :confused:

    Even putting aside the votes for number 3, I still come up with 15 to 1 !

    Look at the numbers:

    "Important...." Numbers 1 & 2 = 243 75%
    "Won't Use...." Number 4 = 16 5 %

    Anyway you look at it ... 243 to 16 or 75% to 5% is 15 to 1 :eek:
     
  12. Jul 17, 2002 #92 of 297
    phone1

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    Fuzzy math?????

    :eek: indeed! Seems you have many ways of looking at it. First you counted option 3 voters as pro FSI to get 19-1, then you just ignored them altogether for your last ratio. Here's the correct calculation:

    Option 1 - important - 23
    Option 2 - semi-important - 221

    Total - 244

    Option 3 - not important - 60
    Option 4 - don't want it - 16

    Total 76

    244/76 = 3.21 to 1
     
  13. Jul 17, 2002 #93 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    West Hills,...
    I beg to differ...

    Option 3 (as stated by previous poster) should not be lumped in with those pro FSI. I concur.

    However, by all indications it would seem to represent those who are (for all intents and purposes) NUETRAL!

    Therefore they shouldn't be added to the negative side either!!!
     
  14. Jul 17, 2002 #94 of 297
    martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

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    All a matter of how you view the data.

    I tend to lump Options 2, 3, and 4 together in these polls, since those are the people who don't want to pay for a feature. Option 1 (the paying group) only accounts for roughly 7% here. I don't count 7% as a "majority", and I wouldn't rush to code something for that small percentage of users.

    World peace is a great thing, but I'd still vote "It's important but I wouldn't pay extra for it." on its poll. :)
     
  15. Jul 17, 2002 #95 of 297
    phone1

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    Don't presume to speak for me - I voted option 3, and do NOT want TiVo spending time on FSI when there are other more important features and improvements to be addressed.
     
  16. Jul 17, 2002 #96 of 297
    vegaspl

    vegaspl Tivo'er since '99

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    Where did you get the Idea that I "Presumed" anything????

    Anyway, if you feel THAT strongly, I would think your vote should have been under number 4.

    Please notice that I used the term "....think..." not "definately should have"
     
  17. Jul 18, 2002 #97 of 297
    phone1

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    Why do people think they'll make their point more effectively with extra punctuation????????

    I think it's just like shouting!!!!!!!!!!!

    (Or maybe they just have a sticky keyboard. :p )
     
  18. Jul 19, 2002 #98 of 297
    HTH

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    There's something definitely presumed here, and that is that people who use the TiVo Community Forum are representative of TiVo users in general. Beside's the sample bias, the sample size is not statistically significant.
     
  19. Jul 19, 2002 #99 of 297
    rbird

    rbird uses tivo "wrong"

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    Somebody hasn't been paying attention. Just a few posts up from your post:
    Bob
     
  20. TreborPugly

    TreborPugly Unreal!

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    Given that the features we discuss in this forum are what we'd like to see in the new releases of software, saying we wouldn't pay extra for it does not mean we don't pay for it. We pay a subscription fee which goes to providing the information AND improving the product. I expect a constant improvement in the Tivo software. Features that directly relate to the basic use of the equipment should not cost extra. Features that go above and beyond the normal Tivo use, like MP3 playing or caller id on your TV are things that we should expect to pay extra for.

    I voted for #2, and I do expect to pay for it, just not to pay Extra for it.

    Treb.
     

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