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The Daily Show, wishlists, and you.

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Martin Tupper, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. Nov 14, 2007 #21 of 148
    Martin Tupper

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    Yeah, if you enter the generic description as a "Title Keyword", the WL will only ignore Daily Show episodes that have "a humorous slant on top news stories" in the title. Since none of them do, it will record every episode.
     
  2. Nov 15, 2007 #22 of 148
    debest

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    Martin - What a great idea! But I was wondering if there is a way to somehow insert a Wishlist Search item into the Season Pass priority List?? I'm worried about a new show (from a Wishlist Search) not being recorded because of some show that happens to be low on my season pass list (like a show my kids record) is scheduled for the same time.
     
  3. Nov 15, 2007 #23 of 148
    Martin Tupper

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    When you set up an Auto Record Wish List, it shows up on the Season Pass Manager screen. You can set it at whatever priority you like. My #1 SP is an ARWL for Redskins games.
     
  4. Nov 15, 2007 #24 of 148
    flatcurve

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    This happens on my Dish DVR too. Tribune and Comedy Central are really to blame for it.
     
  5. Nov 15, 2007 #25 of 148
    SeanC

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    Ok, after I fixed them last night the WLs dropped all the shows with the generic data but now the WLs are auto recording (what seem to be) random shows that have actual data. All of them are clearly repeats, I've made sure my WLs are set to first run only. Just curious if anyone else is seeing this.
     
  6. Nov 15, 2007 #26 of 148
    designbot

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  7. Nov 15, 2007 #27 of 148
    rainwater

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    If they are episodes that appeared in the last 28 days they are still considered new. Once the 28 days has passed, the wishlist will be much more accurate.
     
  8. Nov 15, 2007 #28 of 148
    designbot

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    Now, if we could only include (R) as a keyword, this would get a whole lot easier.

    Shows like E! News, for instance, have the same description whether they're new or not ("Entertainment news."), but the re-runs are followed by a "(R)", and are recorded by the TiVo as First-Run. I haven't figured out a way to weed the reruns out, other than a manual recording.

    It boggles my mind that after all these years, TiVo still hasn't figured out a way to recognize reruns that are specifically listed as reruns in the program description.
     
  9. Nov 15, 2007 #29 of 148
    richsadams

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    True enough, but I can't imagine the algorithms that it would take to properly filter every phrase, word, letter, etc. in the descriptions they get from Tribune (over which TiVo has no control).

    For instance I actually remember a show called "What's Happening!!" that featured a character named "Rerun". I have no idea if it's even aired anymore, and I certainly wouldn't want to record it (unless I was trying to show someone what popping and locking looked like) but if I did, eliminating the word rerun might kill the recording. Some shows have ratings...such as "R"...the same as “R” for rerun…what then? It sounds simple but if you calculate how many shows there actually are, new, old, in between, movies, specials, on and on, (tens of thousands, more?) and the description for each one (millions? :eek:) I'm actually impressed that things function as well as they do sometimes.

    There's always room for improvement, but it seems to me that the supplier should be the one responsible (in this case Tribune) for delivering a quality product and even they are at the mercy of their suppliers (broadcasters, license holders, studios, etc.). TiVo should lean on them to be sure, but I'm not so sure that I want TiVo's R&D department spending an inordinate amount of time creating programs to monitor programs that monitor programs. Whoever has to put more labor into engineering these things incurs costs...and guess who will end up paying?

    Some think the answer would be to create an industry standard...some sort of 'mark' that would indicate the television show's original air date...end of story. That exists for some shows, but others, particularly news magazines use an original air date like October 23, 1980, which makes it pretty much worthless. Then an "original air date" where...on HBO, network TV, Turner, AMC? You see where this sort of thing leads? Perhaps we can get all of the studio execs in one room to agree on such a standard...should be easy enough right? :rolleyes:

    I think TiVo’s done a pretty good job with expanding the WL options (thanks TiVo!) and Martin’s certainly done a little homework to make good use of it (thanks for sharing!). It’s not the be-all, fix-all that we’d like (decent, clear listings), but it’s not half bad…IMHO.

    Okay, that’s my thesis on that subject for the day. Phew! Now we can return to our scheduled program already in progress. :)

    P.S. This new squeezed up forum format make diatribes like this one look even longer! :eek:
     
  10. Nov 15, 2007 #30 of 148
    designbot

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    Acutally, the rerun descriptions I've seen have been remarkably standardized. At the end of a generic description, the guide data says "(R)". It seems to be a special flag, because setting "R" as a keyword doesn't work. If TiVo just recognized shows with the (R) flag as reruns, that would solve 99% of the problems.
     
  11. Nov 15, 2007 #31 of 148
    richsadams

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    Works for me! :up: Let them know that you have our full support when you propose it. :)
     
  12. Nov 15, 2007 #32 of 148
    CharlesH

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    I thought that the data that TiVo got from Tribune was an XML file that contained all sorts of information in addition to the Description tag. Do we know what kind of info is in these other tags, that might be of use in this area? :confused:
     
  13. Nov 19, 2007 #33 of 148
    pilotbob

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    I set this up for the Colbert Report. Wouldn't you know it... there was a repeat with the quests name rather than the generic "Stephen Colbert and guests...".

    But, the description did have the R in the perenthtical section. Is there any way to see if the R is in perenthsis...

    Maybe something like -(*R*) in the Keywords section? Or is that too generic.

    BOb
     
  14. Nov 19, 2007 #34 of 148
    astrohip

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    Nope. The WL searches don't read the (R), or the ratings (SC, N, etc). Wish they did!
     
  15. Jan 6, 2008 #35 of 148
    Lenonn

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    Sorry, I hate to bring up a nearly two-month old thread, but, has anyone gotten this wishlist way of recording to work for The Simpsons? I set it up, and it's not getting anyone of the reruns, but also not getting new episodes. I've reviewed it, and I can't think what is wrong.
     
  16. Jan 6, 2008 #36 of 148
    ebf

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    Tell us how your Wishlist is setup...
     
  17. Jan 6, 2008 #37 of 148
    Lenonn

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    Oops... yeah...

    Title: SIMPSONS
    Keyword: -HOMER AND MARGE SIMPSON RAISE BART LISA AND BABY MAGGIE
    Set to autorecord New Episodes.

    As it works now, it's not getting Fox's new Sunday night episodes at all, and is getting one episode a night of the weekday syndicated reruns (which I guess is better than before when it was getting two or three rerun episodes a weekday). Also, it is showing (not set to record, though) the South Park episode "Simpsons Already Did It". Why that is happening is beyond me.

    I had the thought that maybe this is because in the episode description, there is a comma after Bart, and since you can't enter punctuation.
     
  18. Jan 6, 2008 #38 of 148
    ebf

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    You mean it is set for "First Run Only", right?

    This is because the episode title contains "simpsons". Title searches both program title as well as episode title.
     
  19. Jan 6, 2008 #39 of 148
    Lenonn

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    Yes. Definitely set for First Run Only. The only thing I can think of is that something in the listings is telling the TiVo that these are first run episodes in syndication, although they all look they are listed as repeats.

    Oh, well - I'll just go back to manual recording for now. Maybe the fine people at TiVo can continue working on Wishlist so that you can be more specific/detailed with it.

    I never realized that. I assumed title would just look at the title of the show. You learn something new everyday, don't you?

    If anyone has gotten a Wishlist search (as described in this thread) working for The Simpsons, feel free to let us know.
     
  20. Jan 6, 2008 #40 of 148
    ebf

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    I don't see any episode scheduled for Sunday... at least not in my area, either on my TiVo or the TiVo Online Scheduling web site. The only show not labeled repeat on the TiVo site is on tonight at 1 AM: "E. Pluribus Wiggum". According to TV.com that is today's new episode. However, I cannot find that episode in my TiVo's guide! So, maybe there is nothing wrong with your WishList, but the guide data.
     

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