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The clock is wrong because it's right!

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by unitron, Feb 16, 2013.

  1. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Or at least until the SSL certificate expires. ;)
     
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    To be perfectly nitpicky about it, TD doesn't need fixing. It's the TiVos themselves that were hard-coded to blow a puff of smoke in Phelp's face while the Secretary diasavowed any knowledge.

    Too bad they didn't set the date two days earlier, but I guess we can call this one the St. TiVo's Day Massacre.
     
  3. lpwcomp

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    I suspect that were planning on actually using the cookie to do some kind of validation and that à new cookie would be created each time but the whole idea got lost somehow.

    I also suspect that Any "fix" TiVo sends out will be to TD rather than to the TiVo s/w.
     
  4. winesnob

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    Does anyone know of a workaround for the Tivo Expander add-in for Windows Home Server? I can't find a curl.conf file anywhere.
     
  5. reneg

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    I assume this is in reference to the HP Tivo Expander add-in. It looks like the HP Tivo Expander add-in does not use curl for program transfer. From the executables, there is a tivocli.exe that looks to be what HP uses to transfer programs. I wouldn't expect an update from HP as that product line is end of life.

    You may want to either wait until Tivo fixes the issue in the Tivo boxes or though not as clean an installation as a WHS add-in, you may want to consider installing java & KMTTG on your WHS. KMTGG can run as a service & has a workaround for the Tivo date issue. Installing KMTTG would require a manual install through remote desktop and may be more than you want to take on.
     
  6. lpwcomp

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    I doubt that TiVo will fix it in the TiVo boxes. Most likely they will release a "fixed" TD.
     
  7. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Didn't TiVo farm out coding Tivo Desktop? Would they even know where to look in the code? :p


    Seems like it would be easier to patch the tivoapp and then push it to all Tivos. I wouldn't think it would require a full blown software update.
    But, what do I know?
     
  8. CuriousMark

    CuriousMark Forum Denizen

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    If they don't fix it in the DVR by fixing tivoapp they will leave Transfer software apps on Apple computers, Windows Home Server, and Netgear devices unable to work properly with the DVRs. There are probably even other things that are broken that haven't been mentioned here yet that would also not get fixed. The only right way for TiVo to fix is it they way you suggest.
     
  9. Puppy76

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    Has Tivo said when this is getting fixed? Should I call Tivo support...I mean they get it that this is a big problem, right?

    My friend's in the market for a new Tivo, hate that I have to explain "well, see that feature doesn't work right right now..."
     
  10. Agent86

    Agent86 Registered Lurker

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    For anyone that was directly using the TiVo's built-in web server to download shows on Mac or Linux, I put together this curl command from the various threads here.
    Code:
    curl --cookie sid=abc -q '<Download MPEG-PS URL from TiVo>' -c /tmp/cookies --retry 12 --retry-delay 10 --digest -u tivo:<TiVo MAK> -o <file name you want>.TiVo
     
  11. Puppy76

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    Oh great. What will THAT do?

    And why is it taking Tivo so long to fix this? I called them last night, figuring the more people call, the more they'll get it that they need to fix it. The support guy seemed like 50% clued in. Seemed to actually be kind of aware of an issue, but really didn't get what was causing it. Oh well, still better than average for support hehee
     
  12. lpwcomp

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    What they should do is not necessarily what they will do. It's not as if they really care about third party apps.
     
  13. alansh

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    They never really did fix the Series 1 DST issue. When the Daylight Saving dates changed in 2007, the Series1 still kept the old dates, so for a few weeks each year its clock is off. The season pass recordings were okay because they were done in GMT, but manual recordings were an hour off, and the times displayed in the interface were also off. The proper fix would be to update the Linux kernel with the revised timezone file. Instead, they send an update to your location's timezone setting during those weeks between the new and old dates. If you're in Central, it sets it to Eastern, for example.

    Fortunately it was someone here on Tivo Community that figured out the timezone trick.

    Pushing a full new update was a problem because (a) it had been 5 years since the last update, and (b) any update carries the risk of bricking the device or otherwise generating support calls. Given the age and how long it was out of support, they didn't want to deal with it.

    For this issue, I'm sure they'll issue a fix for the Premieres.

    Older boxes, I'm not so sure of. As far as I can tell, the last software release for the Series2 was in 2009 and the Series3/HD in 2011. My guess is they'll hack the curl file like was documented here in Tivo Desktop.
     
  14. unitron

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    They don't need to look in the TiVo Desktop code because that's not where the problem is.

    It's the TiVos themselves sending out the outdated cookie.
     
  15. steve614

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    I'm pretty sure that they can't just patch tivoapp. Any changes on an unhacked Tivo will cause it to fail the boot-time security checks. So they'd also have to issue a new initramdisk with the new signature, and sign the initramdisk so it will be accepted by the boot rom.

    At that point, you might as well just do a full release.
     
  17. morac

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    A TiVo rep posted on their forums that they are going to update the TiVo Desktop client to fix this. While, not ideal I guess it's the best we could hope for for older models. I still expect the cookie will be updated in the Premiere models.
     
  18. lpwcomp

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    Since the cookie serves no useful purpose, what would be the point?
     
  19. morac

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    Because without it, TiVo third party partner products such as the Netgear ReadyNAS, will continue to fail to work. There was someone complaining loudly in the TiVo forums that the $900 ReadyNAS he bought specifically because of it's TiVo support is now useless.

    http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2010-07/tivo-collaborates-with-netgear-and-hp-for-nas/

    http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=69689
     
  20. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    A change that is Premiere only will not address the problem. The OP of the thread pointed to by your second link has two TiVo HDs. The most recent post indicates that the appropriate NAS analyst (named Skywalker apparently) "is aware of the issue and will be addressing it." I suppose that could mean that he will be using Jedi mind tricks on the weak minded fools at TiVo to get them to do something.:D.
     

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