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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Sep 23, 2013.
Liked it. 2nd best thing I've seen from NBC in a loooooong time. (Chicago Fire being 1st)
I really enjoyed it. James Spader best work since Tough Turf.
I thought I was well done and will provide an interesting basis for a procedural. In the vein of POI which has a bit more heft than the typical procedural.
I love James Spader. He alone is enough for me to keep the SP although I did enjoy it. Looking forward to what might come.
100% derivative of Silence of the Lambs (especially the first half), completely unbelievable and ridiculous situations straight across the board, and way too convenient resolutions. But a fun ride - and James Spader!!! We'll keep watching for a while
So, what do you watch then? Rockford Files and Murder She Wrote?
I liked it a lot, for a pilot. It moved fast and wasn't TOO ridiculous (as noted above, the fact that Red set the entire thing up ended up making it much more believable than it would have been otherwise, and solved some of the really terrible plot holes).
And I do like Spader.
BTW, someone above said that the husband getting mad was not believable: actually I thought he didn't get mad at all, as you'd expect from a TV show. His reaction seemed quite realistic to me, surprisingly so. He just wanted reassurance that she really wanted to go through with it, then he handled it himself without any complaints.
Do you mean "realizing" or "predicting" rather than "noticing" or did I miss clues in the show that revealed this?
Yes, poor choice of words on my part; it's more "realizing" or "predicting", although, it's "obvious" to her.
I do seem watch most things when they go into rerun.
My wife and I enjoyed it. Everything can't be as good as Breaking Bad and some nice action and spy fun is always a good time. I'll be shocked if Spader isn't the father more than any other plot they could come up with.
It was an okay pilot, but not sure that Red proves his value by catching a bad guy he got into the country and plan he put into motion.
Was the weird engraving on the top of her hubby's secret spy reveal kit based on Liz's scar?
i liked it enough to keep watching for now.
as for anything that hasn't been said, i'll say this- if Red is indeed her father, as it seems the show is dropping a ton of hints that he is, then they better "reveal" that within an episode or 2. Because if they wait to reveal something that is so obvious, it's going to be a total dud of a "twist".
However, if that is all misdirection and he's not actually her dad, but like someone else suggested he put hubby up to spying on her, or had some other connection to her, then a later reveal is fine with me.
This. If she is as smart as she seems to be, she should be determining his paternal status by episode 3.
I hope it gets a little more like "Person of Interest" than "The Silence of the Lambs" in the next episodes.
Yeah, I thought a lot of that plus a dash of 24.
The pilot seemed a bit rushed. They wanted to get a lot set up. Plus it was predictable. Still, I enjoyed it. It's a great role for Spader, and I like watching him. I think it has good potential.
If I were making this show, I'd drop in little Silence of the Lambs references and jokes, like showing Spader eating fava beans or something.
He seemed to be enjoying a nice chianti at the hotel!
The first time she walked in to talk to him, he definitely had a "proud papa" expression on his face.
If he isn't her father, it's a good bit of misdirection.
The one thing I don't think I've seen commented on is that Spader was clearly working with the bad guy, and his surrender and reveal of the kidnapping plot was a necessary part for the plot to succeed.
Had he not alerted the agents to that, they wouldn't have been carrying the girl across the bridge at that time, for the "chemical spill" to turn them around and set them up for everything that follows.
Spader is clearly playing both sides.
Not clear at all. While it is possible Red was working with Zamani, it is also possible (and perhaps more likely) that Red was manipulating Zamani, making him think he was working with him when Red was actually just using him as a tool to accomplish his goals and/or to defeat or kill Zamani.
And I'm not sure why you think Zamani could not have come up with another absurd plan that would never work (but actually does work) to kidnap the girl without her being in a convoy of FBI agents.
I thought this as well. The only alternative to the "I know I'm sending you into a trap effect" I can see is that maybe the girl would have had a nanny pick her up and something similar happened, but several heavily armed men to take out one nanny seems unlikely.
However, I think the possibility that he was just manipulating Zamani is likely as well. I will say, though, that if he really was deep cover like was surmised earlier, he has an awfully callous regard towards the life of his fellow FBI agents. Heck, even if he's *not* deep cover and is just in it for simple revenge or something like that, he took quite the risk with his new "friend" Elizabeth....