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The Americans "Dyatkovo" S05E11 - 5/16/2017 *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by DevdogAZ, May 17, 2017.

  1. VegasVic

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    Down to 2 left this season and 10 in the final season. Things should start moving.
     
  2. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I was wondering the same thing about Oleg. That storyline seems to be dragging out and not leading anywhere. Are they leading to his eventual recruitment by the CIA / FBI? He seems bored and disillusioned with his job. After spending time in America, the work he's doing probably feels petty and useless. And he's also realizing that the higher ups in the USSR also get privilege in the same way the wealthy in the US do, without out any hope for the everyday person to move up.
     
  3. markymark_ctown

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    From that standpoint (only 10 more episodes to go), this season has been disappointing so far as far as not moving the story much. Although the 'let's go home' in the last episode should move things along...
     
  4. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I thought it was interesting how Oleg's partner seems to be fairly high up in the KGB and yet he doesn't have access to the nice grocery stores. And when Oleg offered to get him in, he knew his place and turned down the invitation. I think that may be a difference between the US and the USSR. In Russia, there is no upward aspiration. They know and accept their lot in life. In the US, everyone believes they can achieve the "American Dream" and most people would jump at the chance to gain access to a place that is exclusively for the rich or powerful.
     
  5. Rob Helmerichs

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    He also might be afraid how it would look if he suddenly had access to the "good" stores, considering that's the kind of thing he spends his life investigating (and sending people to Siberia for)...
     
  6. mooseAndSquirrel

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    If the Soviet Union has a 40 year old vendetta against that woman, you'd think (a) they'd want to be 100% sure and (b) they wouldn't want her to have a quick and easy death. I would think that they would take her somewhere (ideally back to Russia) for torture and a confession.

    Also, apparently P&E are the only operatives they have. Flying all over, faking another life, even Kimmy is brought back in. And digging up the lassa corpse. That's the main thing that has been bugging me with this season. Stan would have to be utterly clueless not to notice the erratic behavior of his neighbors.
     
  7. Cainebj

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    I agree.

    Naw - not really. I have no idea what my neighbors are up to or doing. 90% of them I don't even know what they do for a living. They are basically hiding in plain site. It's perfect.
     
  8. mooseAndSquirrel

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    But Stan is drop-in for a beer/dinner buddies. Henry is like a second son to him. Matthew dated Paige. And he's an FBI agent. Clueless
     
  9. Hank

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    While I agree Stan is a little clueless, P+E are also travel agents, and as part of their job, likely travel around to different places, so it's plausible.
     
  10. tivoknucklehead

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    this has been by far the most boring season and I'm almost ready to bail on this show which I really liked
     
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  11. Steveknj

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    While it may be boring to some, I think this season HAS moved the story along, but it is the bridge season, and I think it's more about their personal lives than a lot of spying stories. It setup where they will wind up going next season. Philip is moving more toward being jaded by the whole thing. Liz is still a patriot but has to deal with a daughter who may or may not want to follow her footsteps. One handler starts to understand what is happening and decides enough is enough. I think we got a lot of Oleg back story. To me the only part of the story that really didn't move a whole lot is Stan. But maybe that's just because at this point in time there's not much to do with him. I do think eventually he's going to find out everything.
     
  12. crazywater

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    She confessed to be 16 years old, drugged, raped and forced to execute and bury her countrymen. She's not the one guilty of a war crime in my opinion.
     
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  13. stellie93

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    If someone hands me a loaded gun and tells me to kill my friends, I think I would take out however many of them I can and hope they put me out of my misery. :(
     
  14. Rob Helmerichs

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    Sorry, she had a choice. And she chose to put her own life above the dozens? Hundreds? of people she murdered. Yes, the Nazis were war criminals. But so was she...and one could argue she was worse, because she joined the enemy and murdered her own people.
     
  15. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    But did her actions really make a difference to anyone but her? Wouldn't her countrymen have been murdered by the Nazis either way, whether she collaborated or not? So yes, she had a choice whether to live or die. But she didn't have a choice that would have saved anyone else's life. Is she really a murderer if the people she killed were going to be killed anyway by someone else if she didn't do it?
     
  16. Rob Helmerichs

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    Yes.
     
  17. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I think it's easy to say that, until you are put into that situation and you have a choice to save yourself or save some strangers (granted she might have known SOME of those people). I'm sure there are selfless people, but it's really easy to say you will do the noble thing, and much harder to actually do it.
     
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  18. robojerk

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    I disagree.
     
  19. Rob Helmerichs

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    But it being understandable doesn't make you any less of a murderer.

    I'm generally a pretty shades-of-grey, it's-not-that-simple kind of guy. But when it comes to murdering people for no reason other than your own survival, it's that simple. You're a murderer.

    And maybe I'd be a murderer under those circumstances. But if so, then I would richly deserve whatever punishment might some day be inflicted upon me. Because murderer.
     
  20. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    What if the people you are murdering are equally deplorable? That is a very arguable point. If you know anything about Russian atrocities toward Jews and others they weren't a whole lot better than the Nazis.
     

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