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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by loubob57, Apr 22, 2013.
You answered your own question with the rest of your post.
There's nothing otherwise noteworthy about hat speech. The only reason the quote is famous and the only reason anyone even knows about it today is because of the grammatical mistake. Why else would we know about that speech 50 years later?
I can't decide if you're serious or trolling.
I don't get your logic. There are a lot of quotes uttered by JFK and other presidents that are famous many years later.
I knew about that quote long before hearing about the "mistake" a year or two ago.
I did find the Michigan manufacturers plates amusing, we see a fair number of those around here. Did kinda wonder about whether they'd be legal in Germany though.
As for the JFK quote, I knew who it was that said it, but honestly don't really remember it being taught in high school, and I graduated in 91. I did find it amusing that most of these people were young enough that they likely wouldn't even remember the Reagan quote. But when you caught a glimpse of their choices for answers for the ford touch ones, it wouldn't have taken very long for someone to figure those out.
I don't think Katie was upset at winning the cars, she even made a comment about it earlier in the episode, and at the time sounded like she really did want to win them.
Sorry, no. You've lived in Germany, and you speak German, but you did that when?
Language changes. If the Snopes article is correct, the language ability of the native speakers of German who were living in Berlin at the time of JFK's speech and reviewed his speech for him trumps your usage/knowledge, which is more reflective of the way Germans speak now.
You can say that it would sound strange to a German speaker *now*, but you can't speak with authority about how it would sound to someone who was in the crowd at the time of the speech. Not unless you have a Tardis, or some other evidence besides the OpEd piece in the NY Times, where the writer has a set theme and is constructing a piece to make himself (and by extension, his readership) look witty and smart by pointing out embarrassing mistakes made by other people.
It's a good thing Kennedy didn't give his speech in Vienna.
The question isn't whether you heard about the quite because of the error. The question is whether the quote by itself was noteworthy enough to become iconic without the error.
Of course there are many quotes by presidents that become famous/iconic. They generally have some specific reason why they are remembered. For example, Reagan's quote as referenced in this episode is iconic because it was a very brash demand directed toward the Soviet leader at the height of the Cold War. But JFK's quote was nothing special by itself. The only reason it became iconic was because of the humorous nature of the grammatical mistake.
I was born in 1961 and have heard and heard of this phrase NUMEROUS times in my life. It wasn't until reading this thread that I was even made aware that there was any kind of grammatical mistake in what he said. In all the times I've heard it replayed, in many situations, not once was reference made to a grammatical error.
I really have to beg to differ with your contention quoted above. Yes, that is my opinion, as, it would seem, your contention is yours.
I think I answered that in my post. It was a big Cold War standoff with high stakes.
Then how come I and other people I know knew about the quote for so many years (decades!) without having heard about the alleged mistake?!?
I don't know German, and DO think it's funny, and I'm one who picks on grammar mistakes all the time… But this seems to me, even if it's "wrong", it's more along the lines of Pidgin English. Something that's wrong from a non-native speaker, but it's obvious what they really mean.
I also think it's iconic not because of the "big mistake". Saying that I am a Berliner is a big thing, during the blockade.
And yet the Germans cheered rather than laugh.
Were you alive when JFK made the speech? If the answer is 'no', I suggest that you don't know enough about the historical context to judge the matter.
Berlin was not technically part of Germany (though practically it was) and was administered by Four Power Agreement. One sector was under US control. We had US Commanders there from 1945 until 1990.
Exactly my case. And given how much the Cuban community felt about JFK, I would have heard the criticism/mocking had it been an issue at the time. I heard just about every bad thing you can say about JFK, and that "error" was never, ever mentioned.
JFK's quote is iconic because it was also a very brash statement directed mostly at the Soviets.
Add me to the list of those who knew the quote very well and hadn't heard of the "error" until just now.
I knew about it.
I also know about the Neil Armstrong mistake, too!
Even the German Wikipedia article on it (presumably written and edited by German speakers) calls it a legend with no basis in fact. It says 1) the indefinite article is appropriate in this context (assigning the noun to a class) and 2) they didn't call that food item "Berliner" in Berlin -- they called it "Pfannkuchen"