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The 20.2 changelog thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by crxssi, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. xbr23

    xbr23 New Member

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    posted this in another 20.2 thread but didn't get any input or info. does anyone else notice this issue:

    What I would like to see is that since I use 4 tuners sometimes by using pause, switch tuner, watch, pause, switch tuner, watch, pause.... etc. If a tuner is about to get switched by "Tivo" to record something else, give me a pop up across all tuners that a tuner is about to change. I might veto the change because I plan to go back to that channel after watching the tuner I am currently watching. Tivo will change a tuner even if it is currently paused. That just seems wrong to me.
     
  2. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    the answer you are about to read posted 30 times is - "if you want to watch it press the record button" ;)

    followed by some "you are using it wrong" posts.

    then some opposing "I'll use my box anyway i want"
     
  3. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    John's...
    You missed one. "What the heck has this got to do with this thread? Did it work prior to 20.2 and is now broken?"

    BTW, this problem must be peculiar to the Elite. I get prompted all the time if it is about to change the channel on the other tuner.
     
  4. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    It occurred to me that this is probably also the reason for the missing "New" flags on the current days guide entries.
     
  5. SandDune

    SandDune New Member

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    One more. Within folders, deleting the last item in the list now returns you to the top (first item) of the list. This used to leave you on the last item of the list. Basically the behavior is to go to the show further down the list from the one you just deleted, but for some reason when there is no older show it goes to the top of the folder. This is especially annoying for any folder that is full of shows (like the CNet podcast folder when I go out of town for a week).

    This worked in the old version in SD. The problem shows itself in the new version in HD (need to verify in SD as well).
     
  6. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    More clarification needed. In the HDUI, when I am in TiVo Suggestions folder and delete the last item, it moves me to "Improve my TiVo Suggestions", it does not take me to the top. Perhaps it is only in other sub-folders, of which I have none so I can't test.
     
  7. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Pressing the (->|) button will take you back to the bottom of the list.
     
  8. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but in HDUI inside a folder there are a bunch of options listed at the bottom and skip forwards takes you to the bottom option instead of the last show in the folder which is usually what you want. Annoying things like that keep me away from the HDUI (in addition to the sluggishness).
     
  9. SandDune

    SandDune New Member

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    And I would have no problem if deleting the last item in the folder took me to one of those options, but taking me to the top is a lot of extra clicks (even using the skip forward button). If the skip forward button took me to the last show instead of the last item, that would be a lot less complicated. And taking a look, you're right this behavior does not appear to present itself in the Tivo Suggestions folder. Yet another inconsistency in behavior.
     
  10. SandDune

    SandDune New Member

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    Oh, and will I'm on the topic of deleting items, it would be nice if deleting a Netflix item from your queue left you at the current spot in your queue (either the next or previous item) instead of returning you to the top. If you have a very long Netflix queue this can be quite annoying. Of course this is not new behavior, and exists in both HD and SD UI's, both before and after the upgrade. But since I was on the topic anyway...
     
  11. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    The reason it doesn't do that in the suggestions folder is not "inconsistency". It is that the options aren't there. The options aren't there because they don't apply to the recordings in that folder, any more than they apply to the "HD Recordings" folder.
     
  12. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Not necessarily inconsistent behavior- It is just that in the suggestions folder, there are some hard-coded, non-recording menu entries at the bottom which might not be present in other folders. So the cursor/selector has somewhere lower to land after the delete.

    EDIT: oops, after posting this, I see that lpwcomp essentially posted nearly the exact same comment. :)
     
  13. SandDune

    SandDune New Member

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    Actually, I'll disagree with you both. In both cases the "folder" contains programs followed by menu items. The menu items may be different in both cases, but in both cases they are nonetheless menu items. Users expect consistency in operations between items when they view the items as functionally similar. As such, it is an inconsistency in behavior.

    Just my 2ยข as someone who designs user experiences as part of my job.

    EDIT: Oh, and back to my original point, this is a change with 20.2.
     
  14. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    :) I have to applaud all of the people who took the time to contribute to this thread and especially to crxssi for putting it all together. This thread is better at telling TiVo what their Series 4 UI is like for users than I expect they have every had, I hope TiVo people really pay attention to the information in this thread. I don't think TiVo beta groups (if TiVo ever had any beta groups) would ever produced this much good information in such great detail.
     
  15. WillH

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    I discovered another strange behavior with this new 20.2 version and my OTA channels.

    My understanding of a season pass is that one has to create a SP for each channel - one cannot create a SP that spans more than one channel. For instance, if I want to record a golf tournament SP for PGA TOUR GOLF, I have to setup one for Golf Channel, one for CBS, one for TNT, etc.. So I would have several season passes for the same show - a SP pass for each channel.

    Now, today I noticed that my Tivo was recording golf on 2 CBS stations: The OTA CBS hi def and the cable CBS hi def. This is very odd because I never setup a season pass for the OTA CBS hi def channel - only setup a season pass for the cable CBS channel. I never noticed this before today and I have had this Tivo for almost 2 years now. Also, when I went to the Season Pass Manager, the OTA CBS station doesn't even show up! Very weird and I am not sure how I am going to get rid of it for future recording. I don't need redundant season pass recordings.

    Another weird thing is that I wanted to cancel the Golf Channel's re-airing of the golf tournament tonight so I could record a movie and when I went to that listing in the guide and hit record to modify, it brought up the recording that was happening right now - not the one I highlighted. I was not even tuned to the same channel - I was on 212 and the recording was happening on 809 and the channel I highlighted was 849.

    Can anyone shed any light on this or is this another bug or a bug that has already been discussed?

    Thanks.
     
  16. morac

    morac Cat God

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    It's possible one of the recordings was a suggestion. I've seen instances where the TiVo decides to record a program as a suggestion even though the same exact program is recording as a scheduled on another channel (a number of channels in my cable system are duplicated in the 200s and 800s). From my understanding, suggestions are independent from regular scheduled recordings so this can happen.
     
  17. WillH

    WillH New Member

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    I have record suggestions OFF - double checked to make sure.

    I "think" something weird is going on with the OTA interaction with the new software version.
     
  18. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    Redundant season passes (same network, same show, different channel) are used for backup in case one station replaces the show with fundraising (PBS) or some other local special. If it's really the same show (same episode number in the guide) only the first (highest priority) season pass will actually record. If you're getting recordings on a channel for which the SP manager doesn't show a season pass, I can't explain that, unless something like a channel lineup change could cause it.

    To cancel a scheduled recording, go to the To Do List, not the guide.
     
  19. cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Active Member

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    You have to go into "options" and select the proper channel/time. The TiVo now defaults to the next airing, not the channel selected in the guide. It's very similar to your previous problem if you go back and read the responses.

    Or, as has been stated, use the To Do List.
     
  20. WillH

    WillH New Member

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    Got it - thanks.:up:

    However, just from a logical standpoint, seems to me that one should be able to cancel from the guide too - especially since it still throws us out of HDUI mode into SDUI mode (To Do List).

    Something goofy is going on with the OTA workings though - No reason that program should have been recording today. Sort of like hitting the garage door opener and it opens mine and the neighbor's too.;)
     

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