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The 20.2 changelog thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by crxssi, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Guide->select program->Season Pass & other options
     
  2. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    I just noticed something odd. This may have been there prior to 20.2 and I just never noticed but the HDUI "Recording options" screen includes the "Quality" setting even on digital channels and it can be changed. Since I doubt that they have started re-encoding digital content, this would appear to be a bug. Could someone independently confirm this behavior so I know that my TiVo isn't just messin' with me?
     
  3. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    It's the same as 4.2. I just hadn't noticed it before.
     
  4. dalmeida

    dalmeida New Member

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    On this menu there is:

    Get This show
    Upcoming
    Episodes
    Bonus Features
    If You Like this

    You mean "Episodes" not "Record next episode" that was referred to? This menu selection lists entries by date with no time or channel information. unless you select the entry and then it has the same sub menu as the Upcoming entry and the same issue I pointed out before.
     
  5. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    And what do you see at the bottom, slightly left of center?
     
  6. bobatkins

    bobatkins New Member

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    This has been a long standing bug with Tivos going back to the Series 2. If you have even a modest Season Pass list, say 40-50 shows and decide to change the order of the shows, when you exit the Season Pass list you get a Please Wait and can go make dinner before it finishes. You can't do anything else while this is happening.

    This bug is so ridiculous and long standing that it isn't funny anymore. A multi-GHz processor, plenty of ram and a multi-tasking Linux OS and we have to WAIT 5-10 minutes for a re-sort of the Season Pass list? Sorting is the most basic of computer programming skills! I have 145 shows in my Season Pass list and a dread having to re-order any show in that list. At the very least this should be performed in the background allowing the user to continue to watch live or pre-recorded shows.

    With version 20.2, the only thing that changed was the Please Wait message - now it says, Updating the ToDo list... and just sits there for as long as 10 minutes!! This is utterly ridiculous and clearly demonstrates the minimal amount of effort that TiVo is making into their software. Keep in mind that with this latest release, 20.2, TiVo has still not activated the 2nd processor core. Simply porting the old Flash based HDUI to Adobe Air required a minimal effort at best.

    I believe that the only reason we even got the 20.2 update is because of the recently released DirectTV TiVo and I suspect that TiVo has seen the DirecTV DVR and realized that a TiVo would not compare well against it (and frankly it still doesn't) without improving the HDUI.

    TiVo management needs to get of their butts and get the TiVo software performance issues fixed!
     
  7. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Performing a task in the foreground that should be done as a background task is not a bug, it is a design/implementation flaw.
     
  8. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    My guess is we might see this change when the Season Pass Manager is updated to HD. Currently you can already adjust the SPM in the background with other tools like TiVo.com or the iPad app so it would just be a matter of adding that functionality to the command.

    If you have a windows PC, enable network support on the Premiere and download and run KMTTG. Not only is it faster and easier to adjust the season pass order, it does it all in the background while you are watching another recording on the TiVo itself. It will also allow you to backup your season passes.
     
  9. gteague

    gteague golftango

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    i've been waiting 6 years for tivo to fix this spm insanity and it has barely improved at all from when i started with the one of the first s3's until now with the elite and the v20.2 release. i literally can't believe tivo has let this open sore fester for so long. i was in the beta program for a couple of years and kept begging them to fix it and no one would pay attention to me or the few others who complained.

    btw, currently there is a fatal bug when using the tivo.com site with the old or new release in that if you change the order of the items in sp manager the premiere and elite will immediately reboot. i think this is limited to premiere line, but not sure.

    and i don't run windows, so that avenue is out as well. the only option if i don't want to wait for 15 minutes is to lock up my iphone or ipad while the function runs. i guess you could abort the app once you've sent the re-sort command, but i haven't tried that.

    i have no idea what the problem is, but it shows to the customer as lazy, shoddy, unprofessional programming---exactly the sort of thing we're paying deluxe dollars to avoid.

    /guy
     
  10. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    That part of your post is incorrect. The second core was activated in the PREVIOUS release, 14.9. Although this might not make any difference in performance of a single threaded operation, which the sorting might be. I warned people, seemingly forever, that turning "on" the second core is not a magic cure for performance problems. Especially when much of the performance issues most people notice are the HDUI, itself, which is presumably written in a single threaded environment. And the live, Internet-dependent elements of the UI make it far worse.

    More performance improvements are needed, for sure. But at least SOMETHING meaningful has changed in the last few months (just look at this change log). Something that could not really be said for the previous few YEARS.
     
  11. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Possibly. But only if they totally redesign the way it works (which would not be an outrageous expectation).

    You mean Android app ;)

    You mean a Linux computer. Or perhaps a Mac computer. Or even an MS-Windows computer (Hint: KMTTG is not an MS-Windows-only program.)
     
  12. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Thank goodness

    KTMMG and PyTiVO (and others) run just as well on Linux and MacOS.
     
  13. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    I think they will redesign it. I think if they don't they will be missing a huge opportunity to simplify the process for hose who want it. I can't tell you how many TiVo users I know and DVR users in general I have had to tell how to optimally manage the list.

    I never used the Android or iPhone app so I wasn't sure if they included it.

    I must be thinking of another program that is Windows only then. Good to know.
     
  14. mattmaddux

    mattmaddux New Member

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    I can confirm mine is doing the same thing, but ONLY for standard def channels. It worried me that the update had made it revert to the analog channel. Are you also noticing that it's only on SD channels?
     
  15. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Nope. Happens on all channels for me, including HD ones. However, I just now scheduled one to record, setting quality to "Basic". When I then tried to change the options for that recording, quality was set to "digital" and of course couldn't be changed. I just looked at an HD recording that is scheduled for Monday as part of a Season Pass and its quality is "Basic".

    Bottom line (IMNSHO), this release should only be used to record episodes of "Saturday Night Live" because it is definitely not ready for prime time. TiVo should seriously consider rolling this one back.
     
  16. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    It's not a big deal and nowhere near a showstopper. For digital channels that setting is irrelevant so you shouldn't care what it's set to. For Elite machines it's even more irrelevant since those machines don't even have encoders and can't record from analog channels. i.e. It won't affect your recording quality at all so it's basically a don't care.
     
  17. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    I agree that this is not that big an issue. You don't actually think I was basing my opinion solely on this, do you? If it has these obvious problems, what problems are there that aren't obvious? Overall, I think this release has serious flaws.
     
  18. btwyx

    btwyx Substantive Member

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    Its a lot better than it used to be. It used to take 40 minutes to rearrange my season pass list, now it "only" takes about 5 min. I used to only do it just before going to bed. I can't remember when it got better.

    These days you can reorder your season passes on the web.
     
  19. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    Just sorting the Season Pass list would only take a second or two. The time-consuming operation is scanning through two weeks of schedule data for all your channels and reevaluating recording priorities and re-resolving recording conflicts. It may be rebuilding the To Do List from scratch. All of that involves some processing. It would be nice if it could be handed off to a background process, of course. Maybe they could just defer any display of the To Do List until the background process completes.
     
  20. gteague

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    thanks for that info, i didn't know that. i run ubuntu under vmware on mac, so i'll fire that up and try those out.

    /guy
     

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