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The 20.2 changelog thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by crxssi, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. WillH

    WillH New Member

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    I would just like to say that the 20.2 is a HUGE step in the right direction. I have only had it for a few days and in my opinion, this is the firmware we should have had all along.

    I have put up with the buggy software since the Premiere came out in April 2010 and have hung in there thinking they would eventually fix things. However, the past year or so I was of the opinion change was going to be slow at best. Tivo didn't seem to care. They certainly weren't on top of things telling us positive things were about to come. Introducing the 4 tuner Premiere seemed odd since the software was still incomplete.

    It really is too bad that this software is only now coming out because I am sure there are thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Premieres that have been returned to retailers due to the buggy and incomplete software.

    It is also a good thing that the box hardware has been relatively troublefree - if they had massive hardware AND software issues, who knows where we would be now.

    The latest version gives me reason to believe Tivo will continue to work on this software in a big way and we might even see V30.X pretty soon too. We can only guess what may be in store.

    Thanks to TIVO for finally making a big step forward here. I may now be able to recommend the Premiere to others.
     
  2. jimerb

    jimerb New Member

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    This post is excellent.

    I just tried going back to the high def menus and within 10 minutes I crashed the TiVo. I had a group of shows and from the parent folder I displayed upcoming shows. A blank pop up appeared and then it crashed back to the thx menu.

    Sigh.... I've never seen my TiVo so buggy in the 10 years I've had one.
     
  3. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Thanks, I misunderstood and that cleared helped tremendously.

    Added 3.1.3.4
     
  4. btwyx

    btwyx Substantive Member

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    We just got 20.2, we seem to be late to the party. What I don't like, and no one seems to have commented on this, is that when I start playing a show (or go to live TV) the medium banner comes up. It used to be I'd get the large banner, now if I want that I have to hit the info button as well. This is a negative.

    I can't say I like the new look of the SDUI, it looks like a cartoon.

    I don't like the new guide, I liked the old semi transparent one.

    I'm not fond of the subtitles on the suggestions bar, they just look dorky.

    They seem to have fixed the bug where 480i programs weren't being played in 480p. (I have 480p, 720p, 1080i selected, I want 480i played as 480p and everything else in its native resolution. Previously on the elite it'd play 480i as 1080i, which my display can't zoom.)

    When I got the upgrade, it reverted my preference for not showing the video window in the menus.

    Notes:

    I suppose the medium banner should now be called the small banner as the small banner is no more.

    I know that it used to be the banner that came up was the one (small, medium, large) you'd selected. I've always selected the large banner.
     
  5. btwyx

    btwyx Substantive Member

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    It doesn't do that on my Elite, it works the way it always did. One press brings up the resolution, further presses change the resolution.
     
  6. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    +1 on Premiere units. First up press shows current res, further up presses toggles among the choices you set just as always.
     
  7. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but the size given in the extended info (select program from NPL, then Info) is low, by a factor of a hundred. This is with the SDUI -- the HDUI displays it correctly.

    Also, some corrections, at least insofar as these two are based on my reports, as I think they are:

    It's the metadata which doesn't get pushed back. The program itself is still accepted.

    The exact nature of the bug is that what I call the "extended metadata" -- which is the metadata that's only conveyed via a TiVoVideoDetails request, or the equivalent data in a .TiVo file -- is being completely ignored. Only the basic metadata from a QueryContainer request is being copied.

    The extended metadata is not displayed while browsing network shares, either, except with actual TiVos -- surprisingly, it does appear there. But it still is not transferred via MRV. (I had mentioned earlier that it appeared to work TiVo-to-TiVo, but I can now clarify that that's only while browsing. Of course MRV transfers have left out metadata for some time, and even computer-to-TiVo transfers had already been missing some fields, except with .TiVo files. But the loss is much more complete now, and .TiVo files don't help.)

    It's not limited to "Bview" transparency; that's just what moyekj first noticed. Bviews are a Bananas thing. This bug shows up even with an HME for Python app, which doesn't use Bananas or the Java SDK at all. I haven't fully characterized the bug yet, though.

    Also, I have no real reason to assume that the crash (only one, so far) was related to the transparency bug. I would just note this as a separate entry, something like "HME apps can completely crash the TiVo." So far, I haven't reproduced it, but even once was bad.
     
  8. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Just tried it again and now it works as before - first press displays current resolution. I know I tried it multiple times before reporting it. Maybe my Premiere hates me.:eek:
     
  9. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    It is possible to cancel a recording other than the "next" recording when using the HD menus w/o going to the to-do list: Guide->Select show->Season Pass & other options->Upcoming->Select showing you want to cancel->Cancel this recording.

    I think the difference in the way it used to work and still works in the SD menus is that now when you you select a showing that is not the next showing, you are given a generic description and the option to modify the next recording. The first three steps were always necessary. "Clear" from the guide never canceled a recording.
     
  10. txporter

    txporter One sec, almost done

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    I noticed this as well. I only use SDUI. My pushes mp4 files are small, but not the 0.00 GB that is reported. ;)
     
  11. Sadara

    Sadara huh?

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    I got the update on my Premiere Elite some time the night before last. I like it so far. It's taking a bit of getting used to, but I like it. The changes work for me and so far I haven't personally seen anything that I "lost" or is an issue.

    I have noticed thought that all of my HD menus are snappier than before. They all use to be a little slow, as in, I could see the 1 to 2 second delay. It wasn't horrible, but slightly annoying and that is gone right now. Which makes me very happy.
     
  12. hunter69

    hunter69 New Member

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    The new update has been working great on my Premiere. But along with the update I picked up allot of drive noise at the same time. If I am recording something and watching something else it is much much louder that it was before. I guess my drive may be going bad, but it is strange that it happened exactly when the software update was installed.

    Has anyone else had any issues?
     
  13. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    The HMO problem is more than just a metadata problem. My Premiere no longer "sees" the TD Server. Admittedly, I am running Version 2.3 of TD on a Win2K system but everything was fine until I got 20.2. TD still sees the TiVo and the TiVo still sees the pyTivo shares.
     
  14. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Ziphead

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    That may be, but it's a separate issue from the metadata problem. I wouldn't put them together.
     
  15. dalmeida

    dalmeida New Member

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    I've found an annoying bug. On my Tivo HD I used to use the upcoming showings to schedule sports game recordings for the week. On my Tivo Elite with the 20.2 HD UI aside from layering many additional menu pop ups this fails in and odd way.

    From the guide:
    1. Choose a channel.
    2. Right arrow and select program
    3. From the pop up menu down arrow and select Season pass and other options
    4. From the options menu down arrow to Upcoming
    5. Right arrow and traverse down the list to the upcoming show you want to record.
    6. Press Select and yet another menu pops up with the cursor over Record this episode.
    7. Right arrow and Select the options to modify the recording parameters.
    8. Another pop up Recording Options menu appears.

    Notice the Time & channel entry on the menu. It is the original date and time of the program in the guide where you had original selected. If you record with this menu it will record the original program not the one you chose from a list of Upcoming where you chose to modify the recording parameters.

    Aside from this bug having to traverse through multiple menus this method is unwieldy where it was much more usable on the previous UI. Looks like the Wishlist is the better option when scheduling multiple events of a specific type.
     
  16. cherry ghost

    cherry ghost Active Member

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    Most of this is already covered in the Changelog.

    There is, however, a quicker way than how you're doing it. Don't even bother with "Upcoming". Go straight to "Record next episode" --> "options" and in the pop up menu you can scroll down to "Time & Channel". You can then right arrow to the airing you want. This will save you a step.

    I still consider it a bit of a bug because there's no reason you shouldn't be able to add time to the recording selected from the guide without all these extra steps.
     
  17. phone man

    phone man New Member

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    My premiere got the new software last night. I noticed the sdui looked a bit different. I flipped over to the hdui side and poked around a little. Not as laggy as before but still an annoying delay as I move the cursor. I'll play with it more later this evening but I have a feeling I'll be staying with the sdui.
    The Premiere was a let down as a streaming device. My Sony TV or Roku do a much better job. As an OTA only DVR with a nice program guide, the premiere can't be beat but there's nothing on the hdui I can't live without.
    KISS
     
  18. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I added 3.1.17 on trust the info was correct, since I had no way of knowing how it worked, prior, in the HDUI. Since you have another verify too, I will remove it.
     
  19. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Is this new behavior? How does it relate (or not) to 4.2?

    Attempted to clarify, although it is pretty complex to try and summarize.

    Edited
     
  20. dalmeida

    dalmeida New Member

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    Exactly where is this referenced? Admittedly I didn't read all 12 pages of the thread. If it is there it would be nice if someone would update the synopsis. The thread search tool is not that great IMHO.

    I don't know where Record Next episode selection appears. There is nothing in the menu tree entered via the guide that I have found that has this wording.

    True enough even if it were possible at all considering the fact that it doesn't work once you manage to traverse all the menus.
     

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