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Teach me about Dr Who

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Ereth, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Sep 4, 2013 #41 of 151
    Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    Well, I do know about Daleks. Robots who plan to take over the universe who are stymied by stairs. Gotta love that.

    It always reminded me a bit of "John Carter" because stairs were never invented on Barsoom and everything had ramps (no need for an Americans with Disabilities Act to implement them there) and Barsoomians were confused by stairs, too.
     
  2. Sep 4, 2013 #42 of 151
    Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    Oh, and the plastic headless boyfriend with cubes for hands smashing everything in sight in a very Japanese Monster Movie mode was actually a laugh out loud moment for me.
     
  3. Sep 4, 2013 #43 of 151
    murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Now I really want to go back and watch Eccleston and Tennant again. And the Sarah Jane Adventures. :(
     
  4. Sep 4, 2013 #44 of 151
    Ereth

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    So, with all the discussion of various companions and the Doctor being regenerated, I'm wondering if there's any overt discussion of Michael Moorcocks "Eternal Champion" who is always summoned when needed, and who is accompanied by the "Eternal Companion" who may or may not know that he/she is the companion to the Champion. The Champion usually has a cursed weapon of great power.

    From a very cursory glance it appears the Doctor might fit, though I don't know enough about the sonic screwdriver yet, but all the other parts seem to be there for him to be an aspect of the Eternal Champion, even if not overtly.
     
  5. Sep 4, 2013 #45 of 151
    Ereth

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    Well, Google is your friend. Moorcock himself wrote a Dr Who novel featuring the 10th Doctor and Jerry Cornelius. Getting Cornelius into the Whoverse (is that a thing?) must've been very interesting, though I confess I prefer the Dancers at the End of Times Jherek Carnelian more. I can almost imagine the Doctor arriving at the End of Time, but the Morphail Effect would make that problematic.
     
  6. Sep 4, 2013 #46 of 151
    kdmorse

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    You! More watching! Less over-analyzing based on one episode! ;)

    You're like a man with a single point on a graph in front of him, who's not only extrapolating a whole line, but also working on fitting a series of curves.

    There are only so many themes in the world. There are bound to be similarities to other fiction.

    You have more than enough work to do to find the running themes within the series, without polluting the process with running themes from other works of fiction....

    <Note, this post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek amusing - apologies if it missed the mark>
     
  7. Sep 4, 2013 #47 of 151
    Ereth

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    No, it's funny. I got it immediately.

    I just happen to be a big fan of Moorcock and his Eternal Champion concept and see it everywhere. Batman and Robin can even be argued to be aspects. It's just a wild hair thought I had. I have lots of those. It's fun.
     
  8. Sep 4, 2013 #48 of 151
    BitbyBlit

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    If you enjoyed Rose, then I think it's safe to say you'll enjoy Doctor Who. Rose was one of the worst episodes of the regenerated series. Which isn't to say it was bad, but rather that it gets much better.

    Also, you might want to consider starting Torchwood Season 1 when you start Doctor Who Season 3. There is very little connection between the series', so you won't miss that much if you don't watch Torchwood. But watching both together adds some minor mystery and recognition that you wouldn't otherwise get.

    If you want to be extra spoiler-free, you can watch the episodes the safe way by doing one episode of Doctor Who, followed by one of Torchwood, and alternate.

    But really, you only have to be concerned about (spoiler about only which episodes contain the connections, not any details)...

    ...the finales of seasons 3 and 4 of Doctor Who. Get to the season finale of Torchwood Season 1, watch the season finale of Doctor Who Season 3, then watch the season finale of Torchwood Season 1. Do the same for Torchwood Season 2 and Doctor Who season 4. After that, there are no more connections between the shows.
    And again, the connections are extremely minor, so don't force yourself to watch Torchwood thinking you'll be missing something in Doctor Who. This is more of a "if you're gonna be watching Torchwood anyway, you might as well watch it this way" suggestion. It adds a few moments of fun and continuity, but that's it.

    Torchwood Season 3 is a mini-series, but it is, in my opinion, by far the best season of Torchwood. Season 4 was the worst season, and was developed in a joint effort by Starz and the BBC. Feel free to watch that if you're a completist. But you're not missing much if you don't. I will admit that I enjoyed the basic premise and how it ended, but I was very unimpressed with the bulk of the storyline up to that point.

    Make sure you at least finish watching season 1 of Doctor Who before starting Torchwood, though.

    For anyone else who is interested in Doctor Who, but doesn't have Netflix, it's also available for all Amazon Prime members. Amazon has all seasons up through 7A (i.e., all episodes except for the ones that aired this year). And it also has Torchwood seasons 1 - 3.
     
  9. Sep 4, 2013 #49 of 151
    getreal

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    Fun fact:
    The original series of "Doctor Who" preview tapes were kept secret by hiding them in a file labeled "Torchwood" as that is an anagram of "Doctor Who".

     
  10. Sep 4, 2013 #50 of 151
    LordXenophon

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    The connections with Sarah Jane Adventures are considerably more frequent. If you're watching both shows, I'd definately reccomend getting an episode guide and watching them in order of first airing. Both shows refer to each other several times, usually explaining something you might find spoily about the other show.

    Torchwood doesn't do this so much. They do explain how characters from one show end up on the other, but I can only think of one thing that might be spoily.

    To avoid the biggest spoiler, just don't watch the finale of Doctor Who season 4 until you've finished season 2 of Torchwood. I reccomend watching them in the order they aired, which would be seasons 1 and 2 of Doctor Who, season 1 of Torchwood, season 3 of Doctor Who, season 2 of Torchwood, then season 4 of Doctor Who.
     
  11. Sep 4, 2013 #51 of 151
    cheesesteak

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    Funny. Even though I think they made the Doctor too young, I prefer Matt Smith to Tennant.

    Start with the 2005 reboot but at some point, go back and find the original 1963 episode An Earthly Child.

    Two of the Torchwood seasons sucked - the first and the last. The first season, because the characters were all selfish idiots. The last season could have been great if it had half the episodes.
     
  12. Sep 4, 2013 #52 of 151
    Rob Helmerichs

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    The reason it worked, I think, is that Smith was good (perhaps the best ever) at often conveying a timeless quality to the character. He rarely SEEMED young, even though he LOOKED young.
     
  13. Sep 4, 2013 #53 of 151
    mr.unnatural

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    Apparently you really don't know about Daleks. You've obviously never seen episodes where the Daleks could levitate up the stairs or fly. FYI, Daleks are not robots but actual lifeforms housed in a mechanical structure.

    And you call yourself a Doctor Who fan...:rolleyes:
     
  14. Sep 4, 2013 #54 of 151
    TonyD79

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    Wow. Everyone who I have introduced to Who with "Rose" fell in love immediately.
     
  15. Sep 4, 2013 #55 of 151
    Alfer

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    Reading this plot summary isn't doing much to convince me to jump on board the Who train just yet. :)

    The episode opens by showing a day in the life of Rose Tyler, a young woman working in a shop. As she is about to leave work for the day, a security guard stops her and sends her to the basement to deliver money for the lottery to her boss. Unable to locate him in the basement, she finds herself being chased by mannequins that she initially thinks are university students trying to scare her. She is rescued from them by a mysterious man who introduces himself as "the Doctor". The Doctor tells Rose to get out of the building, as he intends to blow it up to destroy a transmitter on the roof. As Rose leaves, the building explodes in flames behind her.

    The next day, Rose is discussing the explosion with her mother when the Doctor appears at her door. Rose pulls him inside to discuss the explosion. As she is making him a coffee, the Doctor is attacked by a plastic mannequin arm which had followed Rose home and then let itself in via the cat flap. The Doctor and Rose subdue and deactivate the arm, and Rose follows the Doctor as he leaves. He tells her that she would be better off forgetting he was there, and disappears into his TARDIS. Unable to let the matter rest, Rose begins investigating the Doctor and meets a man named Clive who has been tracking the Doctor's appearances throughout history. Clive tells Rose the Doctor is dangerous and that if he's there something bad is about to happen. While Rose is talking to Clive, her boyfriend Mickey Smith is kidnapped by a wheelie bin and replaced with a plastic replicant.

    The fake Mickey takes Rose to lunch and attempts to question her about the Doctor, but the Doctor shows up and beheads the replicant. The Doctor takes Rose and the plastic head to the TARDIS and attempts to use the head to locate the controlling signal. With the head connected, the TARDIS takes them to the London Eye. The Doctor explains to Rose that he is an alien and the fake Mickey was an Auton, controlled by a signal from the Nestene Consciousness. He shows Rose that he has a vial of anti-plastic that can be used to destroy the Nestene if necessary. Realising that the transmitter is the London Eye itself, Rose and the Doctor descend underneath it to stop the Nestene Consciousness. They find Mickey tied up but alive, and the Doctor speaks to the Nestene Consciousness. He tries to negotiate with it, but the Consciousness blames the Doctor for the destruction of its planet during the Time War. The Consciousness activates all the Autons at Queens Arcade, where several shoppers are shot and killed including Clive. The Doctor is also held down by a pair of Autons, but Rose rescues him and the anti-plastic drops into the vat where the Nestene Consciousness resided.

    With the Consciousness dead, the Autons all collapse. The Doctor uses the TARDIS to take Mickey and Rose home. He offers to let Rose travel with him but she initially declines, as she feels an obligation to take care of Mickey and her mother. The Doctor leaves in the TARDIS but reappears a few seconds later, sweetening his offer by telling her that it can travel in time as well as space. Rose finally accepts, kissing Mickey goodbye and running into the TARDIS.

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  16. Sep 4, 2013 #56 of 151
    Jstkiddn

    Jstkiddn Shutity up up up

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    I wonder why someone would feel the need to post in a thread about a show they don't watch and have no intention of ever watching.

    Interesting.

    Ereth, hope you enjoy the show as much as I have. It's great fun! :up:
     
  17. Sep 4, 2013 #57 of 151
    Alfer

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    I'm gonna try Blink since so many folks say it's the "best" of the bunch. Hey I'm all for watching fun "new" shows and since some say my hatred of the 60's/70's version shouldn't cloud my judgement, I'm ok with trying out an ep to see what all the fuss is about. :)

    I have access to Netflix now but couldn't find "Blink" anywhere listed. All it shows is Seasons 1-6??
     
  18. Sep 4, 2013 #58 of 151
    Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    I had heard they had added that functionality in later years. Kind of like how R2 suddenly got rockets in the prequels.


    That I didn't know.

    Well, not yet. But I did fall in love with the character of Rose almost instantly.
     
  19. Sep 4, 2013 #59 of 151
    Jstkiddn

    Jstkiddn Shutity up up up

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    Season 3, episode 11.

    Edit to correct episode number.
     
  20. Sep 4, 2013 #60 of 151
    murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    :eek: :eek: :eek:

    I find this kind of comparison non-illuminating when someone makes the general statement and says nothing else. After all, actors are constrained by the material they are given to do and what is asked by them of the directors. Comparing two different actors' performances of Hamlet, for instance, the playing field is more level and you have better ground to compare and contrast.

    However, a discussion of Eccleston vs. Tennant vs. Smith in their various episodes should wait until Ereth has had a chance to catch up. ;)

    I will say though, that I could understand why people might call Tennant a lightweight after watching Eccleston. Versus Smith, however, my reaction as posted above stands.
     

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