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Survivor: Older Seasons vs Later Seasons

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Hcour, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    I think that would be great from a game play standpoint, but would be a disaster from a TV show standpoint. The way it works now is that it takes several episodes to get to know the individual players, but the viewer can at least identify which tribe he/she is rooting for and that stays consistent for several episodes. But if all the players were all jumbled and there was no consistency in who was competing with/against whom, it would make it extremely difficult for viewers.

    Think about when they divide the tribe up for a challenge after the Merge. At that point, we generally know all the players pretty well, yet it's still sometimes confusing to figure out who is on what team, since the teams were only chosen moments before the challenge started. Now think about how much more confusing it would be with 8-10 players per team, and not knowing who any of them are.
     
  2. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    You have a point. But, I think if you want to make something like that work, you will need to cast the show with a lot of interesting and distinct characters. Survivor over the years has really started to "feature" a few players anyway. They will just have to continue this route even more. Unfortunately, it might give away some game play if they do that (ooops, too late, they do this anyway).
     
  3. DancnDude

    DancnDude Thrice as nice TCF Club

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    MTV has successfully had contestants living together and changing teams for each challenge pretty successfully in the Road Rules/Real World challenges before. I think that's exactly what "Survivor: One World" should have been. In reality, they just made their camps nearby and mostly kept to themselves.
     
  4. VegasVic

    VegasVic Craps Player

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    The show has been on a long, long time and obviously has lost viewers over the years. At this point they aren't going to attract new viewers so I understand (to a point) why they have increased the number of returning players and tried different stunts like RI.

    But I think most of us that are still watching because we enjoy the game and the dynamics of the players. I don't know anyone who will be watching in September because they just have to see Rupert play again. I enjoy going in fresh with new players and developing favorites and non favorites as each week unfolds. To me that's why I watch.
     
  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I agree.

    Are Survivor's ratings higher with returning players than they are with new?
     
  6. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Article about the new season of Survivor. The writer asks,"Is it time to put Survivor to rest?"

    http://cliqueclack.com/p/survivor-blood-vs-water/

    Entire article at the link.
     
  7. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    I read about half the article before the writer's whining became too much. But I do agree. Enough of the same people over and over, and yuck, RI. You'd think there are thousands of people who would want to play Survivor, and out of those, they can't find 20 odd people to play? My theory is, it's cheaper to bring back old timers because they can save money on auditioning people. they call 50 or so former Survivors and then get 20 to come back (or in this case they bring their "loved ones" for half the cast).

    One thing that struck me regarding Colton coming back. In light of the overt bigotry, etc. on Big Brother this season, I wonder if Colton would have been invited back.
     
  8. VegasVic

    VegasVic Craps Player

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    RI is one of the worst things they've ever done. And they're doing it again :(
     
  9. gweempose

    gweempose Active Member

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    The return of RI is indeed surprising, considering it was overwhelmingly despised by fans the first time.
     
  10. bryhamm

    bryhamm randomize

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    While I am not a big fan of RI in general, the changes that they have made for it this year sound very interesting.
     
  11. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Yes, it will definitely be interesting to see how the changes play out, and if anyone will be willing to swap into the RI challenge or if it will just be a rule that effectively makes no difference.
     
  12. brianric

    brianric Active Member

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    I think the writer pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'll give it three episodes before deciding to cancel SP or not. It will be a shame leaving as I have not missed an episode.
     
  13. That Don Guy

    That Don Guy Now with more GB

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    They can find 20 people to play - the question is, can they find 20 people that enough Survivor fans feel are worth watching? The show may have reached the point where either you're a fan of the show or you're not, and nothing new is going to make the non-fans watch, so they have to keep the current fans interested - and how better to do that than to bring back former contestants that they know will draw interest?
     
  14. getreal

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    It was interesting that Richard Hatch was awarded the cash on the island in S01, and then they held the reunion with awful Bryant Gumbel hosting. That's how Hatch got in trouble with the IRS, by attempting to hide his $1m earnings despite having it broadcast to the world. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

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    Someone would have to show me the ratings, but do these "All-Star" recasts (and I use the term loosely, most of these All-Stars sucked at the game), actually bring in better ratings?

    The problem I have, is I take it too seriously that it's a game, played on the up and up, and not a vehicle for entertainment where the game really doesn't matter. I watch to see the game being played out, and I can as easily see this with newcomers as I can with retreads. To me, they have made the game secondary to the personalities and the gimmicks, and it loses what made it fun for me. But I guess I'm in the minority.
     

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