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Suits - Season 4 (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by cheesesteak, Jun 28, 2014.

  1. Jul 22, 2014 #41 of 136
    Steveknj

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    Maybe it's just me, but it feels different to me.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2014 #42 of 136
    john4200

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    Well, Mike did not really do the "right thing". He was seriously considering taking the money. But then Jessica bought the shares so then there was no reason for Mike to take the money anymore.

    I wonder if -- when Sidwell finds out about the FU clause in the deal and confronts Mike -- Mike will say that he never planned to actually take the money and so did not plan to betray Sidwell. It would have been a valid strategy to just use the potential of the money as a bluff against Harvey. So Mike could credibly tell Sidwell that he never had any intention of betraying him. Of course, that would be a lie.
     
  3. Jul 22, 2014 #43 of 136
    DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    When we found out that Eric Roberts got Sidwell to accept the money, that to me signaled that Mike was off the hook, because if Sidwell gets cut out of the deal now, he'll have nobody but himself to blame.

    My speculation is that with Harvey now regretting the way this whole thing went down, and Mike not wanting to be involved with his own partners, Harvey and Mike will somehow team up to foil the deal. And since Mike now realizes that the pressure of him not really being an attorney still exists in the investment banking world, he'll decide that if he has to keep that secret his entire professional life, he'd rather do it at Pearson Specter.
     
  4. Jul 22, 2014 #44 of 136
    john4200

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    I agree that Sidwell essentially screwed himself over when he went behind Mike's back to take the money.

    But I am still curious about the upcoming Sidwell / Mike confrontation. It would seem natural for Sidwell to accuse Mike of betraying him. Will Mike respond that he seriously considered said betrayal (the truth), or will Mike claim that he never had any intention of betraying Sidwell and was just bluffing with the deal (a credible lie)?
     
  5. Jul 22, 2014 #45 of 136
    wprager

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    Thanks for the recap. But I think I'm even more confused now. This show can do that to me, sometimes.
     
  6. Aug 2, 2014 #46 of 136
    cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh.

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    I totally lost track of the various machinations, crosses and double crosses in the Gillis Industries deal. I have no idea how Sidwell could be cut out of the deal that his firm negotiated.

    I can deal with Mike going back to the law firm but this Mike/Rachel breakup crap needs to stop. I was sick of their drama a couple of years ago.

    I hope Jessica wasn't kidding when she told Jeff Malone he was fired.
     
  7. Aug 2, 2014 #47 of 136
    Graymalkin

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    This was like the third time that Mike swore to Rachel that she could tell him anything, she tells him something, and he bails in a nanosecond. It's getting tiresome.

    On the other hand, Donna is never tiresome. NEVER. :D
     
  8. Aug 2, 2014 #48 of 136
    wprager

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    Rachel could do better. So could Mike. They just aren't all that compatible.

    And how did Eric Roberts get so rich when each deal involves accessing someone? Being ruthless is one thing, but this is all personal.
     
  9. Aug 3, 2014 #49 of 136
    Cainebj

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    I agree. Jesus it was a half hearted kiss at best - the way they all acted you would think they did the full nasty.

    The other tired story line is Jessica and her love interest
    I'm the boss we can't have a relationship oh wait we can oh no we can't I hate you I don't hate you your work is the best no you screwed up we have to be professionals now kiss me.

    Yawn.
     
  10. Aug 3, 2014 #50 of 136
    cheesesteak

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    Especially with the fact that he's a total dick.
     
  11. Aug 4, 2014 #51 of 136
    Steveknj

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    This. Plus there is ZERO chemistry between the two. So much so that I have a hard time even believing that they even belong in the same room with each other let alone dating.

    I'm really disappointed in this season. I thought it started it with a lot of promise with Mike and Harvey being adversaries. The "apprentice" up against his "master" thing. But things go SO convoluted that I really couldn't follow everything that was going on, and really just wanted it to get over with.
     
  12. Aug 4, 2014 #52 of 136
    john4200

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    Huh? What was hard to follow?
     
  13. Aug 4, 2014 #53 of 136
    cheesesteak

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    The whole Gillis Industries shenanigans.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2014 #54 of 136
    Steveknj

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    This
     
  15. Aug 4, 2014 #55 of 136
    cheesesteak

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    For the life of me, I don't understand why Mike was allowed to run point on the Gillis Industries project, pretty much unsupervised, when he'd been an investment banker for about five minutes. Especially going against Harvey "I've never lost a case" Specter.
     
  16. Aug 4, 2014 #56 of 136
    Steveknj

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    Because Sidwell trusted him..whatever that means. That's another inconsistency IMO. On one hand Sidwell treats him like any other employee, on the other, he's able to do whatever the heck he wants. It doesn't make sense.
     
  17. Aug 4, 2014 #57 of 136
    DevdogAZ

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    Well, Sidwell brought Mike on board to make deals, and this was Mike's deal. I think Sidwell would have checked up on things more often, but I don't have a problem with Mike being allowed to run point.

    As for Harvey's involvement, it wasn't a legal deal, so I'm not sure why Harvey was involved at the level he was. Someone in Logan's position would have been doing most of the maneuvering, and would have just used Harvey to draft documents and help with negotiations. Instead, it was almost like Harvey and the firm were essentially doing Logan's job for him.
     
  18. Aug 4, 2014 #58 of 136
    Steveknj

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    I thought Jessica bought stock in Gillis' company so they were involved directly in the deal (although in real life, they might have been doing insider trading by doing that). I've never been involved in that sort of investment banking, and I bet legal gets more involved than we think.
     
  19. Aug 4, 2014 #59 of 136
    dswallow

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    That deal was voided when dipsh*t lawyer found something boyfriend lawyer missed when setting up the purchase so it would be "questionable" instead of just "illegal."
     
  20. Aug 4, 2014 #60 of 136
    john4200

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    What was hard to follow about it? It seemed clear enough to me.
     

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