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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by cheesesteak, Aug 24, 2012.
Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.
I thought this episode was great.
LOVED Mike and Harvey getting high together. Then sneaking into the office.
I knew the vote would go Daniel's way. It was interesting that the memo was completely faked. I thought it was planted, didn't think it was actually fake.
I'm ok with them getting rid of Daniel so quickly, I wanted them to wrap that up and not have it drag out or be a cliffhanger.
Had we seen the girl that Mike boinked before? She wasn't the ex-best friend's gf that he started dating instead of Rachel, was she? She was some other hot blonde from his past, correct?
I noticed that right away, as well as the call back to Seinfeld...These pretzels are making me thirsty!!
What's a Lannister?
A quick an dirty Google search shows it a reference to Game of Thrones.
Ahh. Never seen it.
Yeah, I've never seen Game of Thrones, either. There are lots of tv/movie references in this show, and it's quite enjoyable.
I, too, was floored when Harvey smoked weed with Mike. It cracked me up. I loved Mike's comment about drinking lots of gatorade so he could pee orange. I had to watch that a few times.
I also believe that the agreement that Jessica signed is going to come back and bite them in the ass in the future. Daniel is really good at the long game.
What was the phrase Mike finally went with? "I'm proud to say I've got a diploma from Harvard"?
In reality, the answer to a polygraph has to be YES or NO, so they can measure the consistency in the response. They see what your response to a yes and no question when telling the truth and telling a lie.
TV always gets this wrong.
I loved the Shawshank Redemption reference, "who actually looks at a man's shoes".
count me in the group of people who saw Rachel being at the door from a mile away. Really annoyed by that, and i too thought the Hardman wrap up was kind of trite. But eh, i'm kind of glad to be done with that part of the story line.
I'll bet Hardman is NOT over.
I'm sure that he's never taken the LSAT or the Bar exam using his own name because it wasn't in his plans to fake being a lawyer. Also, I'm pretty sure that everyone that knows he's a fraud, knows that he never went to law school anywhere.
That's what's always bugged me as well, because I don't remember there ever being any mention of him taking the bar exam in his own name. I know they've doctored the Harvard records to show that Mike went there and has a diploma, but I don't recall them ever saying that Mike took the NY bar exam and was admitted as a licensed lawyer in NY. He would have had to take the bar exam sometime after joining the firm and them doctoring the Harvard records, because there's no way he was allowed to sit for the exam in his own name prior to that.
Basically, doctoring the Harvard records was just a way to keep the other lawyers at the firm in the dark about Mike's past. It's fraudulent, but relatively minor. But submitting the fake records to the NY State Bar and becoming a licensed attorney based on those fake records is a pretty massive fraud that I agree Harvey and Jessica would not be a part of. If they really liked Mike's abilities and wanted to employ him, they could have easily employed him as a law clerk rather than an actual attorney, and Mike could have done almost everything he's done so far by simply preparing all the documents and then having Harvey sign off on them.
If Mike did not pass the New York bar in his own name, that would have easily turned up when Jessica (or Louis or Hardman) did a background check on Mike. But no one ever mentioned that Mike had not passed the NY bar.
Therefore, if New York requires documentation of a law degree before taking the bar exam, then I only see two possible explanations:
1) Mike falsified a law degree some time ago and passed the NY bar in his own name
2) After Mike got his fake Harvard Law credentials, he immediately took the NY bar (off screen). When Jessica did her background check, someone was sloppy and did not notice that Mike passed the bar AFTER he joined the firm
Both of those explanations seem unlikely. (1) because why would Mike bother to do that? And (2) because that kind of sloppiness does not fit well with Jessica, who is by all appearances an excellent lawyer who would not make such sloppy mistakes.
But then there is my premise (above), that New York requires documentation of a law degree to sit the bar exam. Did anyone here ever confirm that? If so, are there any possible loopholes? I guess some loophole could be retcon'ed to fill this plot hole.
I agree about possibility #1. No way did Mike ever falsify a law degree and then sit for the bar exam in his own name prior to joining the firm. There's no indication that he ever had any interest in that prior to the circumstances of the pilot episode.
Regarding possibility #2, most states only give their bar exams twice a year (usually February and July). You have to register several months in advance, and then you have to wait several months to receive your score. I don't think there's any way Mike took the test since he started at the firm without that being mentioned in the show.
According to this, an applicant can sit for the NY bar exam without graduating from an ABA accredited law school. However, such an applicant must meet other requirements, all of which include completeing some amount of law school classwork. Had they written in one of those loopholes during the first season, it would have been plausible. But at this point, they've backed themselves into a corner. Everyone at the firm believes he's a Harvard grad, so they can't use one of those other loopholes.
You guys are over thinking this. No one in Jessica's position would ever take this risk. It's fiction and just not believable. I accept that and just enjoy the show.
You are underthinking this. You could claim no one in Hardman's position would ever take the risk of stealing money from the firm and then setting up another lawyer to take the fall. But you would be wrong about that too.
Besides, if Mike is caught, Jessica could claim to not know about it, so as long as Harvey and Mike don't implicate her, they would go down, but Jessica and the firm could survive it.
On a different note, why would Rachel care that Mike hooked up with Tess? As far as Rachel knows, Tess is an old girlfriend in town for Grammy's funeral. She doesn't know Tess is married. Mike and Rachel aren't together. Rachel already said she doesn't want Mike to make decisions in his current emotional state. So as far as Rachel is concerned, Mike is just making a poor decision based on his emotional state, and once he comes to terms with Grammy's death, he'll be back to normal (somewhat). Why should Mike hooking up with Tess cause Rachel to change her feelings about Mike at all?