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Stream will NEVER support android. Product is dead.

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by ilovedvrs, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Details, details! :)

    It would have been awesome during the World Cup games...
     
  2. ilovedvrs

    ilovedvrs Member

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    Because the Tivo's engineers are very bad. Because it has taken over an extra year to get support.

    Because I am sure they havn't tested with thew newest android or all screen sizes. I really just don't trust Tivo's abilities... Tivo users since S1, 1999 :)
     
  3. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I will agree the fragmentation in the android ecosystem is a challenge - but at this point you are ranting, not making a reasonable argument.

    I have been with TiVo for just as long as you have and frankly, you're not being fair. Yes, TiVo has made some missteps and from time to time we have had to deal with issues we should reasonably be able to expect them to deliver correctly.

    But TiVo has done a lot correctly... I remember quite well, TiVo putting itself on the line to push for a mechanism for cable integration and provide the first real HDTV DVR option.

    Did android streaming take longer than it should - yes, but let's be honest, maybe 8 months longer than it should have. Blame android and Apple for the technology wars for that.

    TiVo used flash and the hardware wasn't capable - but pushed for the maturation of Haxe to completely rewrite their software... And back ported it to the Premiere line!

    No, I will be the first to claim that TiVo doesn't do everything correctly - but you have to admit TiVo continues to push forward in a space nobody else even attempts.
     
  4. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    They do push forward, but a LOT more slowly than they would if they had effective competition pushing them. And with every update it's two steps forward, one back.

    Totally disagree about the 8 months, btw - this should have been done at release. IMO it had little to do with fragmentation and everything to do with lawyers.
     
  5. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    The first Series 3 was two steps forward and one step back? The Roamio line was two steps forward and one step back? And just how much more competition does TiVo need to be successful? They have all the MSO's breathing down their neck providing "free" DVR's using technology they stole from TiVo!

    TiVo would move quicker if it had the resources (revenue) to do so, TiVo is not apple, or Google or Comcast or any of these huge companies with limitless resources.

    And yet... The product they provide is still hanging in there. Apple and Google don't see (yet) a market they can dominate so they won't make a competitive product. And you can forget another start-up in this regulated crowded market.

    Will cable over IP change that equation? Maybe - only time will tell.

    You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the reality. Apple / Google technology wars created this issue - and we may very well find that TiVo ends up having to support two disparate streaming / encryption technologies to bring this to market.

    TiVo isn't the only company to have problems providing DRM capable streaming to android - but yeah, if they had Netflix resources...

    This was the Android world 18 months ago: http://www.streamingmedia.com/Artic...ategy-for-Video-on-Android-Devices-86846.aspx
     
  6. telemark

    telemark New Member

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    She started it. ;)

    I know Tivo users don't see it this way, but from Apple and Google's POV they are already in the market with the Apple TV, AndroidTV and Chromecast. That is considering everything, they felt this was the most lucrative, lowest hanging fruit. Not to berate this point, but remember Google used to own Motorola. They could have made a DVR in the blink of an eye and declined to because they have bigger fish to fry.

    If you want more literal competition ... *blink*:
    https://support.google.com/fiber/answer/2464928?hl=en
    2TB, 8 Tuner
     
  7. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    Well, I have little doubt they *could* dominate, but they see the market for a DVR being simply too small to be cost effective to do so.
     
  8. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Neither Apple or Google would ever mess with cable cards or nasty cableco legacy distribution... If they are going to get into this market it would be end to end delivery. And I say more power to them, but it is going to take a lot of energy and money to break the cableco monopoly.

    Content owners make HUGE money selling distribution rights to Cable Companies. When you are talking about a couple of dollars per month per channel for each subscriber - a lot of people are getting very rich.

    This ain't the music industry!
     
  9. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    I was talking about software updates, not hardware (which this update is).

    We'll just have to agree to disagree about why they're so late to market with this, neither you or I know the truth.
     
  10. JWhites

    JWhites New Member

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    This is probably why the jerks at Google Fiber force customers to use their equipment instead of TiVo's and CableCARDs :thumbsdown: :mad: Why can't people just accept that TiVo is superior in every way?:(
     
  11. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    That is no guarantee. There are several ways to detect a rooted device and simply disabling SuperSU will not hide from all of them. But, ya never know.

    DRM is a frustrating and annoying cat and mouse game.
     
  12. DebiLee

    DebiLee New Member

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    Or just buy a newer device?
     
  13. DebiLee

    DebiLee New Member

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    Someone once told me: "If it wasn't for people trying to circumvent things, and just accepted things for how they are, everything would be easier." I'm not sure if I agree with that but it does make me wonder since a lot of time and resources are put into patching holes and exploits that if left unexploited could be better spent towards innovation of new features and products. Like if the reason why it's taken two years to get Stream working on Android is because people kept doing things that could circumvent copyright restrictions like the example you mention of rooting devices, who wouldn't be livid at those perpetrators? It could have taken two years longer than needed, two years of people badmouthing the engineers whose fault it is not, two years of legitimate Android customers suffering without the ability to stream, two years that could have been better spent improving the performance of the Premiere and Stream and new accessories and products.
     
  14. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    Of course there's also the greed factor. Usually it's not the artists either. It's the corporations.
     
  15. DebiLee

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    I'd love to know what TiVo is going to do about getting the word out to all the review websites like CNET and PCMag and PCWorld and Engadget about Android streaming finally being a reality. Two years of bad reviews by reviewers complaining about the lack of Android support, how are they going to fix all this? I mean the Stream is a 9.9 out of 10 on the "can't-live-without-more-important-then-oxygen" scale but potential customers read and hear that it doesn't support Android, and those customers use Android devices, they obviously won't get the Stream. Now that that is no longer a factor, how is TiVo going to get those people back and get a Stream in their house? This is going to be one hell of a marketing campaign if TiVo has any common sense. Yes I'm aware of the argument "The Stream is already built into the Plus and Pro Roamios" but that's not the concern, it's about getting the stand alone Stream into customers homes and use it with the billions and billions of Premiere and base Roamio units already in place. One thought is giving them away for free or at a hugely subsidized price for a promotional period of time. Maybe do a loyalty program for subscribers who have been with the company for a period of time?
     
  16. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Send me $200, I'll give you my Paypal email.
     
  17. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    I'm pretty sure its more like hundreds of thousands, tops. :)

    Also, while I expect they will get this into the applicable press, they are really looking to sell more Roamios with service than stand-alone streams.
     
  18. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    You have no freaking idea why it's taken this long to roll out something that should have been there day one, just like the rest of us.
     
  19. DebiLee

    DebiLee New Member

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    Maybe, but they'd be fools not to since the standalone stream is still required for the base model Roamio, never mind all the aforementioned Premiere units. I think it's a lot more than just hundreds of thousands if you look back at when the Premiere first came out back in 2009 and all the revisions bringing more tuners and THX certifications and larger hard drives and hard drive upgrade retailers like weaKnees. That's like five years of solid, steady sales :up::)
     
  20. DebiLee

    DebiLee New Member

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    Sorry. You are right, that's why I said "if" and was making suggestions and offering possibilities. :) :up:
     

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