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Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by ilovedvrs, Jan 24, 2014.
Not worth the trouble or not able to logically defend yourself?
About 50% of TiVo subscribers are overseas. US retail market was shrinking for years but is now mostly just stagnant. RCN, a US TiVo MSO, has been pushing TiVo hard on releasing a Android app as Android is what their staff/installers carry. Overseas, here's the Com Hem version of TiVoToGo for Android:
The streaming scenario overseas is different due to more relaxed licensing. For example, I think TiVo's beefing up their cloud offerings and integrations so content comes from the cableco mothership versus box. And maybe recordings will ultimately go into the cloud, as demoed with their nDVR.
Android support was originally described as 'coming soon' - I think they ran into technical issues and/or replaced the team working this. On the iOS side, a prior contractor was acquired. Wonder if that pushed them to move these sorts of skills in house.
Last time I looked into comHem, I could not find any indication that they put the transcoder chip in that box. (same for Ono and Virgin).
This made me think it's only useful in the US as a legal loophole (like SlingBox).
I'm betting when the Android app comes out, it will use a Haxe codebase which could mean the iOS implementation should get moved over as well.
Please explain to us how fragmentation is not an issue. Let's start with the support matrix first, then regression testing on all of the devices and all of the different revs.
Here's a set of HLS test videos for Android for giggles:
Tivo Stream is at least encrypted.
It's not an issue. You make it sound like Android is this impossible to scale mountain. Android already has hundreds of thousands of applications available. There are a lot of people at the top of your mountain laughing.
If what you said was true we'd also never have any Windows applications or games. The PC industry would have collapsed under its own weight two years in. The support and regression testing matrix on PC/Windows is many dimensions larger than Android.
We know how to build abstracted APIs. We know how to write portable code. We know how to do streaming. We know how to display video.
Very similar applications to TiVo's streaming client have already been released on Android and have been around for years. It's BEEN DONE already.
And, if it's still too much of a challenge to do what others have already done, simply don't support every Android device ever released.
I did find at least 3 existing implementations from other vendors.
Simple.TV came out Dec 2013, supports Android 2.2+
SiliconDust, came out Jan 2014, requires:
• Android 4.0+ (Ice cream sandwich or higher)
• A NEON compatible ARM processor
Comcast X1 DVR with Cloud, limited release Apr 2014, supports Android 4.0+
Comcast is strange in that when you download a show from the DVR to mobile, it's checked out to the device and unavailable on the DVR.
That leaves missing support:
I am not saying it is impossible, just that it is harder to support than iOS, that is all.
Too many people have tossed around the idea that it is an easy task, but there are plenty of reasons why it is more difficult. It should not take this long, but there are obviously complications somewhere.
TiVo floated the idea of doing this with the Stream for protected content. The CableCARD rules prevent them from making another copy of a protected show, but it doesn't specifically prohibit them moving the show to another device. So it would be possible for them to allow downloading a protected show to a mobile device as long as it was simultaneously deleted from the source TiVo and never available on both devices at the same time.
Although the "check out" feature sounds cooler as that would prevent the show from being playable on two devices simultaneously but still allow you to restore it to the DVR if you decide you want to watch it on the TV instead.
I like that idea. Especially if the "checkout" checked back on the mobile device. When you would delete it there would be an option to delete or "check it back in" (i.e. make the tivo version active again.
When I go on trips I will dump a bunch of shows on my Ipad. Some I watch and are deleted (would love to have them delete then on my home DVR when I return and sync.) Others I might want to leave for my wife to watch later, so checking them in would be a great choice.
I believe part of the problem is that Android devices are so easily hacked to provide root access. This would potentially give the user the ability to do whatever with the media that downloads, to get around any restrictions, or to convert the files to other formats.
I have seen apps that refuse to download to rooted android phones.
Although this doesn't really explain why the apple devices don't have any issues with a streaming tivo app.
you can hack ios just as easily. I don't think that has anything to do with it. I'd bet that they took a gamble and said "wait for a future release" figuring it would save them time and money in the long run and then ran into a problem with that release.
Used to happen to my old company (semiconductors). You'd hit a problem and find out the next version of the tools will help you, so you wait, only to find out the feature you were banking on is not working right and then you scramble to make it work on a botched plan.
The streams themselves are encrypted using a key exchange that happens via SSL so it's basically impossible for it to be hacked to gain access to the stream. You might be able to brute force the encryption on a download, but if TiVo is smart they've built in a way to update the key remotely should that ever happen.
The Microsoft Media Center software, which is approved by cable labs, stores protected content in a standard file on a system that is completely open and yet the encryption scheme still hasn't been hacked. Which proves that content can be protected regardless of how hackable the system is.
I'll believe it when I see it. If it is true then wow! Android streaming two years after The Stream was released!
At least there is a approximate date. I'll be surprised to see it in September though.
Now the real question - what software version did they use as the cut off?
I'll believe it when I see it.
On or about September 9, 2012 it was launched, it took 2 years..........?
Yes, and I think Android has to take part of the blame for that. Even many of the big players didn't deliver an android streamer until late last year.
Because IOS and google cannot agree on a streaming protocol the consumers suffer. Did it take too long? Yes.
I've been streaming on Android with my Slingplayer 350 I got in October 2012.
And before that I was streaming on Android with my Hava HD Platinum.