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Stream = Apple ONLY ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by SalemCat, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. NotNowChief

    NotNowChief Addicted to TiVo

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    You are awesome. That is all.
     
  2. button1066

    button1066 New Member

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    You missed off the part where porky the pig flies past the window and Jennifer Aniston asks you back to her place for 'coffee'. As fantasies go you aren't very imaginative.

    In the meantime iphone sales break records again blah blah blah.
     
  3. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Saw this posted in another thread, thought it might be pertinent...

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    3,000,000 iPhone 5s & 5c is a pretty significant number of iOS devices.
     
  4. aaronwt

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    The thing I always thought was funny was with some of the Apple cases. Why is a case made with a hole in it just so the Apple logo can be seen. Everytime I see that I just start laughing. It makes no sense.
     
  5. ort

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    3 million is just the daily average of the 3 day launch window. They sold 9 million iPhones opening weekend.
     
  6. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    It's impressive, as always.

    Not to take anything away from the sales, but just like OS version debate, this is a function of their model focusing on control: control the OS and updates; control the hardware; control the app store; control expectations by customers; and finally control the customization by users.

    The reason a 3 day launch window matters is because Apple controls as much as it does. It releases a new phone product annually, and the adoring masses line up at that time to buy the product.
     
  7. aaronwt

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    A coworker has the new iPhone. I can't believe how small the screen is.
     
  8. ort

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    Has it ever occurred to you that their tight levels of control are the exact reason so many people like the product? That for every bad thing caused by the control, it enables two good things?

    Every other tech company is working like mad to change to a business model like apple, and regain control of the entire product.

    I like how having fans is somehow a bad thing. Every other company on the planet wishes it had people lining up around the block for their products, but when fans of apple do it, they are the subject of scorn and mockery.
     
  9. mr_smits

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    I do believe that is why some people like it. The tight integration and control makes sure that things usually just work. My point is that if you set up your business to function in that particular way, then it's not surprising that there is a big 3 day launch window since that is when you release your phone product for the year.

    I think much of the scorn and mockery comes with the blurred lines between Apple products as a fashion accessory (edit: and a status symbol). Check out the hilarious story on Ars about the type of person that waits in line release day for a gold iPhone. Pure comedy.
     
  10. ScaryMike

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    Followed by Samsung releasing a gold version of their flagship a week later.

    http://mashable.com/2013/09/25/samsung-gold-galaxy-s4/
     
  11. mr_smits

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  12. Dan203

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    But look at the increase. Over the last few years the demand for the new iPhone has increased, exponentially, every year.

    I'm no Apple fanboy, but as a developer I can see the appeal of the platform. It's consistent, there are really only a few hardware variations to have to deal with, and it has a huge install base.
     
  13. Grakthis

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    Post your data. This goes against everything I've ever read. I am pretty sure you're either making things up or you don't know how to read data.

    I mean, I just went and googled it... I looked for US only data, and it says you're wrong.

    And some gross percent of iPhone activations are people updating older iPhones. Apple cannibalizes itself whereas Android continues to grab the first-time smart phone buyers on a massive scale.

    So, by all means, if you have data that says otherwise, post it.
     
  14. Grakthis

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    Ok, so, first of all, that's not what exponentially means... as written, that's not true. But I'm not going to nitpick that. Who wants to argue about that?

    Demand for all smart phones has increased. Demands for cell phones has increased.

    So, saying, "demand for the new iPhone has increased" is useless in this discussion. The response is "duh. So has android."

    Finally, as I mentioned, the people waiting in line for the new iPhone on day 1 are people who own the old iPhone. They are not people buying their first smart phone or switching from android. Those people are not day 1 buyers.

    For Apple's bottom line, who cares, right? Sales are sales! They like selling things to existing customers. For developers, that matters. It's not millions of new customers... it's the same customers just upgrading to the new hardware.

    Everytime someone releases a study that looks at
    1) Current sales
    2) Current install base
    3) Future trends

    They all say "android." It's all android all day everywhere. There is no one projecting iOS as the dominant OS.

    And that only makes sense... it's the same reason OSX couldn't win the desktop wars... when you have a once or twice a year release cycle, you can't keep up with the rapid fire world of a competitor that is firing out new hardware every month. You can't keep up with 100 different models when you're selling 2-3. You can't beat their discounted prices cause they are selling old hardware at a discount and you aren't. and you can't beat their new hardware specs because their hardware came out yesterday and yours is, on average, 3-6 months old. Sometimes more.

    The advantage apple had was that, on release, they had a 2-3 year jump start in design and code... but that's gone. They lost it. Google is out ahead in features now. Google search and google now integration in to android absolutely demolishes anything Apple is doing right now. Apples iOS 7 design is 2 versions ago of android. There are no features iOS has over Android anymore... Android caught up and surpassed iOS on paper.

    Now, I'll admit, I have a healthy disdain for apple because, as a company, their behavior is despicable. The are just an awful company that does awful things to the market and they do it at the expense of their biggest fans. But for years, even *I* had to admit that apple had a better product in the market. But that's just not true now, and the numbers show it.
     
  15. Grakthis

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    The mocking of Apple fans isn't because they are Apple fans... it's because they are tech nubs.

    I literally listened to a conversation when I took my daughter to the zoo the other day where two guys were talking about how they had to have the 5S because it's 64 bytes and twice the speed of a 32 byte phone. And they had to pay the early upgrade fee to get it.

    Speed. Bytes.

    This is a real conversation I really heard.

    It's not "lol nerds." It's "lol morons."
     
  16. Dan203

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    The reason Android is growing faster is NOT because it's better it's because it's free and open source. This is the same reason why developing for it is a nightmare. There are a million different hardware configurations running int and almost as many software variations to match.

    Apple not only locks down the hardware and limits the diversification, but they pretty much insure that everyone is running the latest OS or at worst 1 version back. This may seem less consumer friendly, providing less choices, less customization and creating sort of a price fix, but it's much, much, more developer friendly.

    Looking at this from a developer perspective you must see why TiVo chose iOS first. As to why it's taking so long to deploy for Android... that I have no idea.
     
  17. button1066

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    http://bgr.com/2013/09/25/samsung-galaxy-trade-in-iphone-5s-gazelle/


    Translation: Apple consistently has the highest levels of customer satisfaction in the industry. Or any industry.

    The cool kids laughed at you in high school? You have a fruit allergy?
     
  18. button1066

    button1066 New Member

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    No you didn't. Or maybe you did and didn't know how to interpret the information.

    What ort says is the plain truth. I know this because I *did* Google what he said and confirmed it to be true.

    Rhetorical question: do Android devices give all the people who buy them an inferiority complex or are inferior people driven to buy them? And who cares?
     
  19. mr_smits

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    Common complaint, but not true (or no longer true?). Here's a balanced article on a developer writing for both platrforms. He sees no platform a clear winner. He even talks about iOS fragmentation (his parents on iPad 1) and his solution for it. :D http://blog.gqueues.com/2013/07/android-vs-ios-comparing-development.html
     
  20. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    And there is a link to article posted up thread where the developers of the BBC streaming app talk about how difficult it was to develop their Android version compared to the iOS version.
     

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