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Stream = Apple ONLY ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by SalemCat, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Feb 1, 2013 #141 of 246
    Austin Bike

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    Maybe too much of a conspiracy theory. However revenue > all else. When you can do something with apple and have total control, you have a lower cost. Doing things on android are more complicated and there is greater odds of someone getting around the system. I.e. lawsuits.
     
  2. Feb 6, 2013 #142 of 246
    teklock

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    I wonder if you could install the apple app on a jailbroken apple tv and stream it that way?
     
  3. Dan203

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    Actually there is a technological issue as well. TiVo uses encrypted HLS for streaming. Apple invented the protocol so they support it on all their devices. However Android didn't add support until 4.0 (aka Ice Cream Sandwich). And until recently very few tablets existed that used Android 4.0+. So it makes sense that TiVo would wait for greater market penetration of 4.0+ before dedicating resources to an Android app.

    Increased sales of the Kindle Fire HD and Nexus line of tablets, both of which run 4.0+, is what likely motivated TiVo to finally start working on an Android app for the Stream. However they had a good 6 month head start on the iOS app so it could still be a few months before we see the Android app released.
     
  4. steffen707

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    I love my tivo, and they piss me off so much at the same time. Slingbox lets you watch from mac, pc, android, iphone, ipad, android pad. Tivo is so dumb for not including pc, and mac. Guess i'll stick with my tivo HD until they allow PC viewing or my tivo HD dies. Slave to the tivo...... :(
     
  5. Dan203

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    While it's taken longer then I expected I still think we'll see something in the next year. TiVo showed a product at the cable show that was basically the entire TiVo UI, complete with playback, running in a web browser. It was for some Charter CloudTV thing, but if they release something similar to the public then we could see streaming supported on any device with a web browser.
     
  6. Sep 1, 2013 #146 of 246
    qz3fwd

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    All the android fanboys keep chastizing Tivo for supporting Apple iOS first.
    Well, follow the money. It just makes good business sense and enabled faster time to market. Alternatively follow the rule of diminishing returns when you consider the fragmentation and support compexity of the android universe.

    In other words, if you are a general fighting a war, and you have only 1 bomb to drop across enemy lines, do you drop the 1 bomb you have where you are assured to kill 1,000,000 enemy soldiers, or do you drop the bomb where you have a 30% chance of killing 1,200,000 enemy soldiers? You make the decision.

    Anyhow, I am sure eventually Tivo will release an Android app which I hopefully can use on my moto razor phone, since I dont have any Apple tablets nor phones.....
     
  7. Sep 3, 2013 #147 of 246
    mr_smits

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    I'm saying this as a long-time Tivo customer, as a former Tivo investor, and as a technology fan. For me, it's more about Tivo's poor leadership and the inability to regain the position as market leader or innovator in the DVR space. Someone in the Tivo chain of command screwed up by downplaying Android and web browser support this long. At least one of those platforms should have been available at Stream launch so that even if you aren't an iOS owner, you could use your computer browser to Stream to your laptop or desktop. Don't roll out a product that is completely unavailable to a huge portion of potential customers. With different leadership, Tivo would have been trail blazing with the Roamio line rather than playing much needed catch-up. It's embarrassing. Even startup Aereo is rumored to have their Android client available this month - they already have web browser support.

    First, let me say that it has gotten better if and when the promised features "coming soon!" with Roamio line and Mini are eventually delivered, then Tivo will be about tied with the DISH Hopper and Joey product that has Slingbox capability. That means I will be buying a Roamio and Minis to replace my Premieres.
     
  8. Sep 3, 2013 #148 of 246
    Grakthis

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    Virtually no one is chastising TiVo for supporting iOS first.

    Read the thread, read what people are saying, and respond to what people are saying. Don't respond to what you wish people were saying so you could post your inanity.
     
  9. Sep 3, 2013 #149 of 246
    zgamer

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    Does anyone know if the stream when being viewed off an iOS device can be used with air play?
     
  10. Sep 3, 2013 #150 of 246
    morac

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    Not without jailbreaking.
     
  11. Sep 4, 2013 #151 of 246
    gigaguy

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    I'm a newbie, but seems like Mac users have less options with that Tivo Desktop software, right, which seems to be written for Windows?
    I know I gotta keep searching...still trying to see what can be done with a Mac and Tivo..
     
  12. Sep 4, 2013 #152 of 246
    Dan203

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    For Macs you have to use a 3rd party program or pay for Roxio Toast to transfer programs from your TiVo.
     
  13. Sep 5, 2013 #153 of 246
    mattack

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    Yes, unfortunately. The 3rd party program that is currently updated the most is kmttg
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=387725

    That is the one that allows you to download shows from your Tivo to your computer (if they're not copy protected). It can also transcode (e.g. convert for ipad, etc..) but I have never used that part. Unfortunately kmttg is Java so the UI is kind of funky.. But at least it works well.

    There is also pyTivo that you can use to get shows BACK on your Tivo from your computer.
     
  14. Sep 5, 2013 #154 of 246
    ShayL

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    It sucks that you can airplay it without jailbreaking and using airplay mirroring.
     
  15. ilovedvrs

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    iOS is a bunch of crap.

    crazy a company made hardware that is iOS only...

    soon it will get android support, and I hope maybe one day windows support...
     
  16. aaronwt

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    Hasn't the Stream been out around a year now? At that rate Windows support might arrive in 2015.
     
  17. ort

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    I can see the conversation now.

    Engineer: According to our numbers, 500,000 people have downloaded the TiVo app for iOS and it has a very high engagement rate. The average iOS user uses the app 2.5 times per week.

    TiVo exec: Go on...

    Engineer: And on Android the app has been downloaded 100,000 times and the average engagement rate is one use every two months.

    Marketer: And according to market research, our customers favor iOS over Android at a rate of about 2:1. Plus, our web traffic indicates that 3 times as many people visit our home page from iOS devices.

    Engineer: And our research also indicates that it will take half as long and cost half as much to develop our App for iOS.

    TiVo Executive: Well, screw that. iOS is crap. Plus, millions of people in countries we don't sell our products in prefer Android to iOS. Let's put all our manpower being an Android app.
     
  18. Dan203

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    I'm hoping that whatever they're working on is more universal, rather then Android specific. Something that would allow them to quickly port Stream support to many platforms beyond iOS. Like that HTML5 based UI they showed at the cable show for Charter's cloud interface. If they can come up with something generic enough that it runs in a browser then they'll be able to port it to Android and Windows simultaneously.
     
  19. mr_smits

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    :) I think it's closer to this...


    Engineer: According to our numbers, 500,000 people have downloaded the TiVo app for iOS and it has a very high engagement rate. The average iOS user uses the app 2.5 times per week.

    TiVo exec: Go on...

    Engineer: And on Android the app has been downloaded 100,000 times and the average engagement rate is one use every two months.

    Marketer: And according to market research, our customers favor iOS over Android at a rate of about 2:1. Plus, our web traffic indicates that 3 times as many people visit our home page from iOS devices.

    Engineer: And our research also indicates that it will take half as long and cost half as much to develop our App for iOS.


    Intern: There's just one thing. Market trends show that Android sales pace is gaining ground on iOS almost every quarter. At this pace, Android will outsell iPhones in the U.S. (and globally) soon. The course for the iPad is likely to do the same. We should plan accordingly.


    TiVo Executive: Be quiet!

    Engineer: Hiss! Boo!

    Marketer: I love my iPhone. How dare you question it's supremacy!


    Intern: :confused:...uh...sticking your head in the sand and pretending that this isn't happening is a poor long term strategy for TiVo. You do realize that it takes at least a year for us to advance on a different platform, and in the meantime we will not have a functional product for the most popular mobile platform in U.S.? We want to draw in customers, not alienate potential new customers.


    TiVo Executive, Engineer and Marketer: (fingers in ears) WE CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA. IT'S DESIGNED FOR TABLETS; NOT PHONES. LA LA LA.


    Intern: Oh brother.
     
  20. ort

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    But actually, iOS is growing faster then Android in the united states. I've told you this a few times in this thread and you keep ignoring it. iOS sales on all of the major carriers are higher than android sales. They have been for about a year now and the trend is not moving androids way. It's inching up for iOS.

    Internationally Android is doing well, but huge swaths of these devices don't even run google's software and aren't available in markets TiVo serves. They are of no interest to TiVo what-so-ever.
     

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