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Stream = Apple ONLY ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by SalemCat, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Nov 4, 2012 #61 of 246
    jcthorne

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    With all the stream diffeculties, network etc and poor video quality and reliability concerns...I am begining to think the fact that android support caused me not to purchase yet might have been a good thing.

    Perhaps my current solution of kmttg and then just copy the vid to my android phone works well enough to not purchase the stream at all.....
     
  2. Nov 4, 2012 #62 of 246
    aaronwt

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    I am kind of glad that the Stream did not support Android. Only because it forced me to purchase a SlingBox 350. Which overall has been better than my old HavaHD. Although I still have both connected using the pass through option on the SlingBox.

    The longer it takes to get Android support the less likely I will get the stream. SInce I plan on getting their six tuner box, if it's released next year, and it should have the stream capabilites built in.
     
  3. Nov 6, 2012 #63 of 246
    mr_smits

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    I've heard this a few times. Is that viable rumor or a wish that the next version will be 6 tuner and will have stream capabilities built in?
     
  4. Nov 6, 2012 #64 of 246
    aaronwt

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    mr_smits

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    Interesting. Good to know that it isn't just a wish list.
     
  6. Nov 6, 2012 #66 of 246
    rifleman69

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    Wells Fargo would beg to differ with you.
     
  7. Nov 8, 2012 #67 of 246
    Kingpcgeek

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    aaronwt

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    I would be highly pissed if my company forced me to use an iPhone.
     
  9. Nov 8, 2012 #69 of 246
    magnus

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    Oh the inhumanity of it all. That would just be the end of the world I am sure.
     
  10. Nov 8, 2012 #70 of 246
    aaronwt

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    Pretty close:D:D

    It's bad enough that I have to use this Motorola phone for work.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2012 #71 of 246
    magnus

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    I have to use BB. That's enough to make one really cry. :)
     
  12. Nov 8, 2012 #72 of 246
    DeWitt

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    Apple finally got smart and listened to the corporate worlds concerns. Now they are the darling of corporate IT, most often in my experience as the replacement for blackberry.

    Not naming company names but almost all my friends with corporate phones have iPhones or are awaiting an upgrade to one.

    My personal phone by the way, a Galaxy Nexus.
     
  13. Nov 9, 2012 #73 of 246
    mr_smits

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    As a long-time Tivo customer, it's not simply disappointing that the Apple first, Android later development strategy is so outdated. For me, it throws into doubt their long-term strategic vision and ability to execute that vision, gain customers, thrive/grow, and continue to innovate. Do I want to continue to invest in products from a company with that strategy? I've invested thousands so far, but do I want to keep doing so? That is the big question.


    The one piece that I'm clinging to is that maybe the development cycle for Stream was such a long process (2009-ish?) that the iPhone was the only game in town so they thought it was a waste to develop for another platform (Blackberry being impossible back then despite market share). I hope that is the reason there is still no Android support for Stream.
     
  14. Nov 9, 2012 #74 of 246
    Dan203

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    I think it's more a fact of limited resources. I've personally dealt with their engineering department before and I know that they work on a budget and have to delegate resources to each specific project. It's likely they only had the budget to develop the app for one or the other at launch and chose iOS because it was the most likely to result in a successful launch. As was mentioned earlier in the thread the metrics clearly show that iOS users are typically wealthier, use their devices more often and spend more money on apps/accessories. If I was developing something like this and only had the budget to target either iOS or Android I'd have chosen iOS as well. It just makes the most sense from a business perspective.

    Also you need to remember that the target for this is NOT smart phones but tablets. It works on the iPhone, but their target was clearly the iPad. And when you look at the data for tablets the numbers are even more skewed in Apple's favor.

    Dan
     
  15. Nov 9, 2012 #75 of 246
    mattack

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    How is it outdated? APPLE DOES NOT HAVE THE FRAGMENTATION. You would have to support a bunch of different versions of Android, etc. or have a MUCH smaller target market if you support only the latest Android. (You can STILL buy devices running old versions of Android that cannot update to newer Androids.)
     
  16. Nov 10, 2012 #76 of 246
    BigJimOutlaw

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    I doubt the lack of android support is a long-term issue, much less part of some long-term strategy. The Stream has been out for all of 2 months and it sounds like the issue will be resolved in months.
     
  17. Nov 12, 2012 #77 of 246
    lrhorer

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    Why would you need to convince me? I never used the term, nor am I personally entirely convinced the term applies more to Ipad users than Android users. Certainly some fraction of both qualify.

    It is never pointless to make a point, and to do so, regardless of the point, requires supplying facts and solid theories to backup one's point. Failing to do so is little more than bleating, "Is not!".

    That is obvious. It also, however, suggests that a majority of people who made the decision merely did so primarily because the decision is a popular one. I'm afraid, whatever the subject, you are going to be hard pressed to prove anything is otherwise the case in the same breath as declaring a platform to be popular. Whether you like it or not, for any popular item, some fairly large fraction of the people who support it do so primarily because it is popular.

    In a university study a couple of decades ago, the researchers were able to identify two quite distinct groupings of humans into which virtually all people fell. One group was labeled "sheep" and the other "goats". As the name implied, sheep tended to often be followers, although almost all leaders were also sheep. In effect, sheep were comfortable in a group and generally sought out the group and its activities, whether as leaders or followers. Their thinking very fundamentally is influenced by what is deemed popular. The sheep group makes up the vast majority of humans.

    Goats, OTOH, had almost no desire at all to either lead or follow (and often not even an ability to do so). They are not comfortable with arbitrary rules or popular trends, and they question authority out of hand. They are independent thinkers and often care very little what others think of them. If they choose to partake of a popular item, the popularity is purely incidental to the nature of the item. Goats are in a decided minority, compared to sheep, although not exceedingly rare.

    WRT this discussion, how many goats do you think use Ipads? Some actual numbers would be nice. This goat surely does not, but then he doesn't use an Android tablet, either.

    I don't know how stupid it is. It is certainly often accurate. If it weren't, no one would ever have bought a pet rock.

    I never used the term, so I surely cannot fathom why you are putting such emphasis on the word "you". I certainly have come across an unconscionable number of mindless morons, but being one does not prevent them from sometimes hitting on the right answer. Sometimes the popular answer is the best one. The two are not fundamentally related, however.

    Divisive? I would rather not be associated in any way with mindless morons, thank you very much, so anything which in any way separates them from the rest of us is a good thing. Failing to be divisive is certainly not a good thing. What's more, who on Earth says mindless morons should not belittled? Stupidity causes far, far more pain, suffering, and death than all hatred and all wars put together.
     
  18. Nov 12, 2012 #78 of 246
    lrhorer

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    Yeah, me too.

    Oh, bull. The negative effects of sheeple-izing by giant corporations is far wider reaching and far more detrimental than Hitler or OBL in their wildest dreams. Hitler killed perhaps 6 million people. OBL perhaps a few thousand. It's possible corporations have killed many, many millions of people, but far worse than killing, corporations leech away freedom far more effectively than any government ever has or can, and they do it on the scale of hundreds of millions of people.

    Yeah, that's the real problem. Many people seek not to eliminate groups, but to recruit from another group into their own.

    My question is, "How many people really have any actual need for a tablet in the first place?" I surely don't.
     
  19. Nov 12, 2012 #79 of 246
    Dan203

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    I use my iPad constantly. I use it to play social games with my firends/family, I use it to surf the web on the couch (I'm doing that right now), I use it to read magazines in the bathroom and I use it to watch TiVo in bed. I typically run through 50-70% of the battery every single day. So while I may not "need" a tablet I certainly get a lot of use out of mine.

    Dan
     
  20. Nov 12, 2012 #80 of 246
    global_dev

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    I have no need for a laptop or desktop really. 10 years ago i almost bought into the smart display stuff, but it was missing something and a too pricey for an RDP thin client monitor . All i wanted to do was sit on my couch rather than at a desk. and the TV, with a MCE wireless keyboard turned out to be just a pain... for anything other than MCE

    I can't wait for stream for android. I was about to pick up the stream since we have an iphone and ipad in the house, but I like my ICS and JB more at the moment.
     

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