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Stream = Apple ONLY ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by SalemCat, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Oct 26, 2012 #41 of 246

    ort Member

    Jan 5, 2004
    Those numbers are estimates because none of the companies release any data.

    Even if they are accurate, and Android is holding 40% of the tablet market. Those numbers are split up amongst dozens of tablets. Do you spend the time and energy coding and testing for each of those tablets, each of which has a tiny sliver of the total market, or do you take the easy route, and code for the iPad, which takes less time, costs less money and hits more users.

    If TiVo is making a mistake by ignoring market trends then they aren't alone, because almost everybody targets iOS first.

    iOS is the lead mobile platform. It's where developers go first. And they do it for a reason.

    Maybe every single developer and company who is making iOS apps first is completely wrong, and simply isn't privy to the inside information you have, but somehow I don't think that is the case.

    They go where the active users and money is... and that's iOS.

    That's what's happening. Thinking it shouldn't work that way won't change it.
  2. Oct 26, 2012 #42 of 246

    radish Honourable Member

    Dec 21, 2001
    NJ, USA
    It's also worth considering demographics. TiVo customers (and potential tivo customers) are not "the world". They're largely American, so the extremely large number of android tablets sold in Asia are irrelevant. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that tivo households with tablets and money to drop on a stream are probably higher income as well - research I've seen puts iOS usage much higher in higher income brackets.

    That said, I agree with the sentiment that only a healthy competition benefits consumers. Long live iOS and android :)
  3. Oct 26, 2012 #43 of 246

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    Windows 8 just dropped today where is the Windows 8 app? ;)

  4. Oct 27, 2012 #44 of 246

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    Well, at the very least, it makes for a more interesting spectacle here. :)

    'Something I learned more than 40 years ago: It is impossible to insult someone who refuses to be insulted. A thick skin and a sense of humor do far, far more to weather a verbally abusive onslaught than any amount of protest or attempted retribution.

    Case in point. No offense intended, but that was an awfully feeble come-back. Providing some sort of evidence that Apple users were not "sheeple" would have been much more effective.
  5. Oct 27, 2012 #45 of 246

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    With qualifications, I agree. What I am looking for is the best value. That means it meets my needs for the lowest relative cost. I don't mind paying more for something that meets my needs compared with something that does not, but I don't want to pay more for something that exceeds my needs if a less expensive option meets them. In my book, the widely vaunted "exceeds expectations" is worthless.

    Agreed, but...

    Disagreed. I very frequently buy last generation / abandoned technology. I can get it at a very good price, and if it meets my needs, paying more for a next generation technology is usually just foolish. The terms "innovation" and "continued development" rarely impress me.

    Again, I disagree. Only very rarely have I been impressed by a new application. When I am, I will agree that its working on an existing or preferably mature platform is a plus. Note the "mature" qualification. I have a large amount of hardware in use that is over 20 years old. I haven't purchased a new PC in almost 10 years.

    Being popular is less conducive to that end than being standards-based.

    Being popular is not all that relevant to that end, while being standards-based is virtually a guarantee to that end. Of course, being both is a grand slam.
  6. Oct 27, 2012 #46 of 246

    lrhorer Active Member

    Aug 31, 2003
    Yes, and to that end, as well as lots of other positive ones, no one should be impressed by an 80% or 90% market share of anything. They should be appalled. A much better situation all the way around is a host of companies, none of whom has more than 10%.
  7. Oct 27, 2012 #47 of 246

    global_dev Member

    Mar 15, 2010
    Northern VA
    I just hope that if the android app actually hits, it will work on rooted devices.
  8. Oct 29, 2012 #48 of 246

    ort Member

    Jan 5, 2004
    I'm not going to take the time to try and convince you that apple users are not "sheeple". It's completely pointless.

    When people say "sheeple" or refer to others as "sheep" what they really mean is "someone who made a different decision than they did".

    It's a stupid phrase, regardless of who it is directed at. I've seen it used to describe all sorts of different people.

    It runs on the assumption that everyone who isn't YOU, and came to the exact same conclusions as YOU, is a mindless moron who can't think rationally.

    It's just a lazy, ugly phrase, and it comes from a bad place of the human psyche. It's divisive and belittling.
  9. Oct 29, 2012 #49 of 246

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    I disagree.

    People constantly need to be reminded to think for themselves, not necessarily follow the crowd, and to figure out what is in their own actually best interests instead of blindly believing other people.

    If calling people sheeple, dumb a**es, or anything else accomplishes that then it is justified.

    While it may have little negative effects on others when corporations successfully turn people into sheeple, there are significant negative effects when tyrants like Hitler or Osama Bin Laden do.

    Then of course calling people sheeple may just be an attempt to turn them into sheeple of another stripe. Samsung's recent anti-apple commercial is doing that and the tactic is often used in politics.

    On the topic of if Apple's customers are sheeple or not, I am fairly certain most are not. However if someone isn't making anything from camping out in front of an apple store just to replace the iphone they camped out to get last year with a new one, I am guessing they are.
  10. Oct 29, 2012 #50 of 246

    Gadfly New Member

    Oct 27, 2007
    This thread is becoming a OS war zone.

    Let's get back to the topic:

    Give me Windows RT support NOW!!!
  11. Oct 29, 2012 #51 of 246

    ort Member

    Jan 5, 2004
    It's funny, but 99% of the time, when one person is telling someone else they need to think for themselves, what they are really saying is, "You need to think like me."
  12. Oct 30, 2012 #52 of 246

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    I agree there are plenty of people who try to use telling someone to "think for themselves" as a back door why of telling them what to think/do/buy. That is just part of the game of marketing what ever is being marketed.

    Regardless it is still in a person's best interest to actually "think" whatever through and make a decision that they at least believe is in their best interest based on an analysis of the information available, instead of blindly buying into the marketing hype. Of course because we don't know what we don't know any decision can end up not being the optimal one. In hind site I would say many decisions I have made are not optimal even though I normally try to make as informed a decision as possible.

    Just for the record my definition of a sheeple = someone who blindly buys into the marketing hype of whatever is being marketed. They follow the crowd without any real thought as to why and are easily manipulated into doing/believing things that are not necessarily in their best interest.
  13. Oct 30, 2012 #53 of 246
    David Platt

    David Platt !Texas TCF Club

    Dec 13, 2001
    Portland, OR
    ort wins the internet for today. :) :up:
  14. Oct 31, 2012 #54 of 246

    shoehorn New Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    I know plenty of organizations that give out only iPhones because they are much more secure and easy to manage over Android devices... Think about it: every iPhone and iPad run a 100% identical OS, it's always the same. A breeze to manage, but with Android, there are many different versions of the OS, PLUS the crap GUI that all the manufacturers force on them, hundreds of combinations. I think most companies prefer iOS due to that one fact.
  15. Oct 31, 2012 #55 of 246

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

    Jul 14, 2002
    Damn....I wanted Tivo to support my Palm Pre!
  16. Oct 31, 2012 #56 of 246

    SullyND L:45-21 TCF Club

    Dec 30, 2004
    Chicago Burbs
    Pft. I love my Palm V. No stream for it :(
  17. Oct 31, 2012 #57 of 246

    poofy New Member

    Jan 16, 2012
    Come on, bring on Android support please.
  18. Oct 31, 2012 #58 of 246

    magnox New Member

    Aug 11, 2010
    Our company was 100% berry; its probably 95% iphone now. We use global iron to tie things down. Corporate is huge for apple now.

    Android is fragmented like you say; we had issues with certain manufacturers email clients not even supporting certain active sync policy.
  19. Nov 1, 2012 #59 of 246

    jcthorne Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Corporate use of Android does not use the manufacturers email clients. Secure email requires a secure client. Our company and many that we deal with in the Energy sector and medical sector use a client called Touchdown.

    Just like for PCs, every corporate android we issue runs the same os and software load There is NO fragmentation. Try getting apple to do that.
  20. Nov 1, 2012 #60 of 246

    Kingpcgeek Couch Potato

    Feb 6, 2012
    Basin of...
    Yay they both will now have 300k fart apps and 300k flashlight apps and about 100 that really matter.

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