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Stream = Apple ONLY ?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream' started by SalemCat, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Austin Bike

    Austin Bike New Member

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    Everyone keeps talking about phones, but the real market for stream is tablets, not phones.

    And don't look at carrier activations, the primary access is going to be wifi. None of the 5 tablets (ios and android) in my house have cellular, all are wifi only.

    Look first at tablets, phones are a secondary market. Some people will use phones, but the real use case is tablet.
     
  2. aaronwt

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    Well if Stream for Android is delayed until Q1 2014, at least that will allow millions more Android tablets to get in peoples hands with Android 4.2 and higher. SInce the Amazon Kindle HDX tablets will be out for the holidays as well as the 2nd gen Nexus 7 which is already out. Between both of those that will add many millions more Android tablets out in the wild.
     
  3. ort

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    I'm pretty sure I've already posted it in this thread. Go back and look at it. Or google the financial results of any of the carriers in the USA for the last year. iOS is outselling Android in the United States. This is a fact.

    I'd go get new links but I'm pretty sure that arguing with someone who has such a childish disdain for apple would be a colossal waste of my time. It wouldn't matter what I said, or what I posted or what the facts are. You'll spin whatever information you receive until it matches up with whatever twisted version of reality you've crafted to make you feel better about your purchasing decisions.
     
  4. davezatz

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    Maybe that's your "real" use case... but it's not my primary usage scenario. Then again, my phone is a Galaxy Note 2 - with a much larger screen than an iPhone and I always have it with me. Home, work, gym, Starbucks, etc. (We've unloaded two iPad 3s and a Mini, only keeping the Kindle Fire HD around due to its low resale value.)
     
  5. Oct 2, 2013 #185 of 246
    mr_smits

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    Same here. I'm more likely to use a smartphone than a tablet for streaming. Watching anything on the iPad is truly the last resort in my home.
     
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    Dan203

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    And I'm betting phones become much more popular as a Stream target once outside the home streaming goes live.
     
  7. Oct 2, 2013 #187 of 246
    Austin Bike

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    There is no argument that phones are a use case. My comment was about primary and secondary. I have both and 90% is tablet, 10% phone.

    Based on screen sizes I would bet this is the case with TiVo ( I know it is close to that with the streaming services).

    I use my phone to watch short shows from aus>dfw but for most of my viewing I will pull out the tablet.

    As phone screens get larger and tablets get smaller, this will change, but for now the tablet has a primary advantage over phones. That is not to say that people don't use phones, just that for the majority of users, it is a tablet. For now.
     
  8. Oct 3, 2013 #188 of 246
    aaronwt

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    Some Tablets are already too small. They have some low end ones at 5" which is already phone size territory. Seven inches for tablets is about the smallest I would want for a tablet. While 5" is about the largest I would want for a phone.
     
  9. Oct 3, 2013 #189 of 246
    Grakthis

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    I've googled it. I've seen the numbers. Until you provide me a link, you're wrong. It's that simple.

    "Childish disdain?" Apple is an awful company. I am not sure how you can defend their business practices. They have outrageous profit margins, they lock people in to their eco system and block out competitors using a mixture of rules preventing anyone on their app store from competing with them and preventing third party apps from sideloading on to the OS. Their developer support is offensively bad and their platform/language is awful. They engage in price fixing. They side with their suppliers and providers over their users anytime the two come in to conflict (book publishers are the prime example). They are the opposite of what a technology company should be. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about their business side abandons them immediately. Leaving only people too weak or apathetic to switch left behind.

    This is not "ugh, apple, grody." I don't do business with companies that want to **** me. Maybe you do. If that's your thing, by all means, take it wherever you like, but don't blame me for not being in to that.
     
  10. Oct 3, 2013 #190 of 246
    Grakthis

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    I am a developer. I don't have to look at it form a developers perspective.

    Developing for a single Android device is a million times easier than developing for a single iOS device.

    Of course, the complexity is the variety of android devices.

    There is universal disdain, behind the scenes, for iOS developers for the apple market, language and review process.
     
  11. Oct 3, 2013 #191 of 246
    Grakthis

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    Hahahahah yeah, that must be it. You got me.

    2013, the year when someone suggested that Apple was the OS for the "cool kids." Haahhahahahahaha.... whew.

    I bet you just discovered your first meme and posted it to your facebook. You're so hip. Have you seen the girl twerking and catching fire?!? OMG YOU HAVE TO SEE IT, IT IS SO FUNNY OMGLOLBBQWTF!
     
  12. Oct 3, 2013 #192 of 246
    aaronwt

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    What the heck does OMGLOLBBQWTF mean?
     
  13. Oct 3, 2013 #193 of 246
    Austin Bike

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    There seems to be a lot of emotion here and people making judgmental statements.

    What people don't grasp is that companies make decisions based on the addressable market and where they think they can have the biggest impact. That is what tivo did. Their problem was not in doing apple first, it was in not following up with the android product. Since their original decision the market has shifted. That doesn't make their first decision wrong, but it accentuates the problem with missing the second window. Blockbuster video is a great example of this. Moved from VHS to DVD but the real market was shifting to streaming and they lost the opportunity.

    As for those that are wedded to one platform and denigrate the other, there is room for all of them in the market, and competition is good. Android is what it is because it had to beat the incumbent. iOS will either get better or die. But the market will decide that. And not how people here are describing it.

    These are platforms, not religions and we need to treat them that way. There is room for all of them. To say that one is right and the other is wrong shows either a lack of understanding or a lack of maturity. Or both.

    As for apple making a lot of profit, um, that is why they are in business. We should celebrate profit. If tivo doesn't have enough of it, it will be gone.
     
  14. Oct 3, 2013 #194 of 246
    Dan203

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    Oh My God, Laugh Out Loud, Bar-B-Que, What The F*ck.

    Not sure about the BBQ part, that was just my best guess. :)
     
  15. Oct 3, 2013 #195 of 246
    aaronwt

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    That stuff always looks like gibberish to me.
     
  16. Oct 4, 2013 #196 of 246
    ort

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    My time would be better spent talking about this stuff with a stapler than trying to have a reasonable conversation with someone as entrenched in their bizzaro thinking as you are.

    Have a nice day living in the weird fantasy world you've crafted in your mind. It sounds like a pretty interesting place.
     
  17. Oct 4, 2013 #197 of 246
    ort

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    Back to the grown up conversation...

    We only use stream with our phones. We recently moved and rather than put a TV in the kitchen, we just use our phones. Or rather, my wife does. She uses it quite a bit all over the house, always on her phone. I honestly never use TiVo stream at all.

    I like to sit down and watch a show from start to finish and my wife is more of "always have some sort of thing on in the background" kind of person.
     
  18. Oct 4, 2013 #198 of 246
    Dan203

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    Exactly. When this thread started a year ago them choosing Apple first made perfect sense. Especially since the product had been in development for a year prior to that.

    However at the time the assumption was that it was going to take them about 6 months or so to get Android support working. With this new news that Android support might be delayed to Q1 2014 my opinion has changed. They've taken way too long and now Android users have the right to be upset.
     
  19. ilovedvrs

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    my free stream is waiting in the box.
    getting a nexus 10 v2 hopefully this month.
    would be nice if I could tivo on it....
     
  20. aaronwt

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    Are the prices still supposed to be kind of high with the Nexus 10?
    This gen I picked up the new Nexus 7 and plan to get the 8.9" FireHDX. But if the nexus 10 prices comes in low, then I might get that instead.
     

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