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Strange 1x fast forward issue since 9.4 update

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by vittoria, Aug 2, 2008.

  1. Sep 22, 2009 #81 of 150
    rogmatic

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    I have had the same problem with fast forward. I only use the 1x FF for football games (during huddles), and it was definitely not working for me this weekend.
     
  2. Sep 22, 2009 #82 of 150
    bkdtv

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    It works for many people just fine.

    Whether 1x FF works or not depends on the encoding parameters used by your affiliate. Some affiliates eliminate the information used by the TiVo for 1x FF to save bandwidth, while others do not. On my provider (FiOS), 1x FF works on every SD and HD channel except for WRC (NBC4 in DC).

    If you are TiVo, do you modify 1x FF so it is much less smooth, but works on every channel? Or do you keep it as it is, so it is smooth for many people (or many channels) but doesn't work at all for others?
     
  3. Sep 22, 2009 #83 of 150
    FiosUser

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    My 1x FF on FIOS in Orange County still does not work on NBC HD.
     
  4. Sep 23, 2009 #84 of 150
    jweaver15

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    I also have FIOS in Philadelphia and almost every football game I watch (in HD) the 1X FF doesn't go any faster than real time including Big10, NBC, ESPN, and FOX. although it is annoying I just wonder if there is a verified reason why this takes place.
     
  5. Sep 23, 2009 #85 of 150
    Poochie

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    Understood - I was actually just trying to point out that it appeared to be working fine on KNTV (NBC), which in the past was the "problem channel" for me wrt 1xFF during last year's SNF games. I suppose I should have highlighted that fact, or linked my posts from Sept 2008, in my post.

    Although now that I've heard others still having problems with their NBC affiliate, I'm beginning to wonder if I just imagined it was working fine for me - I'll check again during this week's Colts/Cardinals game, as well as a few other NBC shows, to see if at least KNTV no longer exhibits the slow 1xFF...
     
  6. Sep 25, 2009 #86 of 150
    rickcatron@sbcgl

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    KNTV is fixed for me as well. But a new problem started when the 1xFF was fixed. Now KNTV has an audio problem, a slight "pop" from time to time. This happens both with and without TiVo, so its a Comcast issue, not TiVo.
     
  7. Sep 26, 2009 #87 of 150
    Puppy76

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    Yikes, this is all scary. Good thing I didn't hear about this before I bought my HD XL last February :eek:

    Thankfully I've seen no issues at all with fast forwarding/rewind (all over the air ATSC, all work really, really well).
     
  8. Sep 26, 2009 #88 of 150
    Poochie

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    Glad you mentioned the slight "pop" on occasion on KNTV - I thought I was hearing something but wasn't sure. I wonder if it's a Comcast issue or a KNTV issue in general - guess I'll meander over to the AVS section on SF Bay Comcast to see what the word is, since it's heading off the topic of this thread I'd say...
     
  9. Sep 28, 2009 #89 of 150
    thenightfly42

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    That's very interesting; first I've heard of it. Do you have a link where I can learn more about this? I'm puzzled how 1xFF wouldn't work, but 2xFF and 3xFF still would work.
     
  10. Sep 28, 2009 #90 of 150
    redhotlava

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    I've had this problem ever since I got my Tivo HD XL several months ago. FF X1 doesn't seem to be much of a problem for me on most channels (shows), but crops up on about half my football games when I really need it. Problem yesterday was CBS... both NFL games FF X1 was non-functional. Fox was normal, NBC was normal. I think we should all call Tivo and report the problem. Maybe if enough of us innundate them with calls about the same thing, they'll be more apt to respond? Whadayathinkabouthat?

    ~ Mick Kalber
    Hilo, Hawaii
    Tivo HD XL
     
  11. Sep 29, 2009 #91 of 150
    FiosUser

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    I think that is the only way to solve this, but we would need 1,000s of people.
     
  12. Sep 29, 2009 #92 of 150
    redhotlava

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    well, I haven't heard any solutions to the problem, other than the fact that apparently tivo is working on it. only thing I can think of is to let them know how many of us out here are struggling with the problem. might at least get their attention... what have we got to lose?
     
  13. Nov 19, 2009 #93 of 150
    halbie

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    I'm having this problem too. I called Tivo and reported it as a broken box. They acted like they'd never heard of it and even arranged for an exchange for a new box (!).

    Now, of course, the new box that i got from the exchange has the same problem.

    Seeing the problem twice in a row led me to believe something else was up, and that's how i found this forum thread.

    it's a joke that this is obviously a major and common issue, yet Tivo acts like they've never seen it before.
     
  14. Nov 19, 2009 #94 of 150
    steve614

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    Yeah, the problem you're seeing is well known in these forums and has nothing to do with the Tivo.
    It has to do with how your TV station/Cable co is compressing the video.
    I think Dan203 explains it in detail somewhere in this forum.
     
  15. Nov 19, 2009 #95 of 150
    vittoria

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    I'm just not buying that Tivo has "nothing" to do with it. I think there's a shared cause. My 1x FF was working perfectly well and as soon as the 9.4 was finished installing it was immediately different and continues to be a problem. How the cable company/station compresses the video makes sense too, but I know the Tivo was 1x Fast Fowarding just fine before the update. It continues to be an issue for my S3, although I've noticed that Speed channel 1xFF now works OK. (That's the one I noticed was wrong intitially.)
     
  16. Nov 19, 2009 #96 of 150
    mattack

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    You do neither of those... Since Tivo controls the software, and *presumably* can talk to the "MPEG decoder" or whatever part of the system would tell them about the data stream...

    if (UserHits1FF())
    __if (MPEGDataIsLameAndWontFFNormally())
    ____DoHackyWorkaroundToMakeItLessSmoothButWork()
    __else
    ____DoNormal1FF();

    (__ because !@$# tivocommunity won't let me space indent.)

    BTW, is the *general* REWIND suckiness the same kind of issues? DVDs have been able to rewind pretty well for a long time.. but the digital channels I record (almost all non-HD, but probably not relevant) all have really bad rewind.. I notice it usually at 1REW speed.
     
  17. Nov 19, 2009 #97 of 150
    msteele

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    Just to add to this thread, I just started seeing this problem happen over the weekend while watching sports on my TiVoHD. I think I was watching Comcast SportsNet. The 1xFF appeared to be the same speed as the normal playback, but occasionally it would jump forward in little bursts of FF activity. 2x and 3x FF appear normal.

    But there is something different for me: last week, I had normal analog cable, and on Friday, I got Comcast Digital Cable installed. I started noticing the problem right after the switch to digital cable.
     
  18. Nov 30, 2009 #98 of 150
    nibeck

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    Count me in qs having the issue as well, but I have a conspiracy theory. I think this *may* be a flag that the content owner can set. Disallow FF, to keep people from skipping content. It doesn't make much sense that it's active duri9ng the game, and not the commercials, but I still feel that something sneaky is going on.

    call me crazy......

    _mike
     
  19. Nov 30, 2009 #99 of 150
    vittoria

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    I'm not sure about the "conspiracy", but I have noticed that during certain programs on YES the 1XFF works totally normal, but during games it's back real time with an occasional burst of fast forward. Something changes from program to program.
     
  20. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Actually, it does.
    You just have to use tags.​
    Works pretty good, huh? ;)
    Correct. It's all about how the video is encoded/compressed. This can vary between different studios/networks/cable companies.

    Here's a couple of posts from Dan203 that explains mpeg2 video and how it relates to the FF issue.
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7049355#post7049355
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7110508#post7110508
     

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