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Star Trek TNG: Sins of the Father (S3E17)

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by doom1701, Apr 30, 2012.

  1. doom1701

    doom1701 Time for a new Title

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    I actually watched this about two weeks ago, and if I don't post about it soon I'm going to totally forget about it.

    What I find most interesting about this episode is how it portrays Klingons so differently from what we see in Star Trek VI. Of course, this is because STVI was released about 2 years later. But it's a little unfortunate that the Klingons that we see in STVI couldn't show up a little early--instead, we get the same two dimensional (for the most part) Klingons that have always been in the show.

    That said, it was a pretty good episode. The weakest link, IMO, was Michael Dorn--his "dramatic" acting had a tinge of high school drama to it. But getting past that, it was an interesting political intrigue story, gave some background on Worf's character, and it gave Patrick Stewart yet another chance to shine.

    While Discommendation now has more of an emotional impact with me, I will say that, when I first saw this episode in high school, I felt the ending was a major let down. All this buildup, and they just turn around?
     
  2. gchance

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    I really wish you'd post these threads more often, I just finished BoBW Part 1. ;)

    Michael Dorn wasn't necessarily bad, but put next to Tony Todd, his deficiencies came out. I think as Worf got featured more and more, Michael's acting got better and better.

    Greg
     
  3. JYoung

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    I have to admit that it originally took me a minute to actually understand the ending and what it meant to Worf (and Kurn).

    This episode is kind of unusual as it's starts out as a followup to "A Matter of Honor" and I'm enjoying Kurn being the first officer and busting everyone's chops.

    Then it takes a left turn into Klingon intrigue and Worf's family history.

    Also, this is relevant as I've been listening to and reading about The Ron Jones Project.
    This is the first major Klingon episode not scored by Ron Jones, and you can tell as Dennis McCarthy did a better job of obeying Berman's "sonic wallpaper" directive than Jones did.
    And I think the episode suffers a bit because of it.

    (Although to be fair, I do think that Berman was correct in overriding Jones for the climax of "Booby Trap".)
     
  4. May 1, 2012 #4 of 12
    Fish Man

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    I was 28 years old, a bit out of high school ;) but I also found the ending to be a letdown. The very dictionary definition of "deus ex machina", is what I thought at the time.

    The ultimate resolution to this problem depicted in subsequent episodes was a fantastic recovery, I also thought at the time.

    And, to this day, I'm not sure if they actually planned that far ahead, or if the subsequent episodes that resolved the issue of Worf's father being accused of treason and Worf's discomendation were an inspired job of covering for the somewhat lame deus ex machina that they used to resolve this particular episode.

    That being said, this isn't a bad episode, and I now hold it in higher regard than I did the first time I saw it since we now know how this open-ended "discomendation" was ultimately resolved later.

    I do, however, feel that the acting of all the Klingon characters was a little overplayed. (I. Am. --- ACTING!) It may be that none of the actors or the director had really figured out how to play a Klingon in this context.

    This is one of the episodes on the Blu Ray sampler! HD! :D
     
  5. May 1, 2012 #5 of 12
    doom1701

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    I wonder if my feelings on discommendation now are based on the ultimate resolution. Viewed strictly as a stand alone, it is pretty lame.

    I watched the two parter where this is all tied up (I know, I'm way behind on "current" episodes yet somehow I found time to watch a two parter that doesn't come up for a couple of seasons), and while the episodes overall blew chunks, they did a good job showcasing Worf, his brother, and his return to honor.
     
  6. May 1, 2012 #6 of 12
    Fish Man

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    I'd never go so far as to say it "blew chunks". IMHO, apart from the "overacting" on the part of the Klingons that I mentioned in my previous post, I found it to be a good, riveting episode, right up to the end.

    • Act I: Suspense and tension.
    • Act II: Suspense and tension.
    • Act III: Suspense and tension.
    • Act IV: Suspense and tension.
    • Act V: http://www.sadtrombone.com/

    Or, put another way:

    • Act I: He wins his case or he dies.
    • Act II: He wins his case or he dies.
    • Act III: He wins his case or he dies.
    • Act IV: He wins his case or he dies.
    • Act V: Oh, by the way, we forgot to mention: There's a third option where the council just folds their arms, turns their backs and says "harumph" and he doesn't have to die. (WTF?)
     
  7. May 1, 2012 #7 of 12
    doom1701

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    I don't think this episode blew chunks. The two parter (Redemption Parts 1 and 2) did, though. Gave us Lursa and B'etor in Part 1, and some lousy technobabble in part 2.
     
  8. May 1, 2012 #8 of 12
    Fish Man

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    Gotcha.

    But the upside is, it gave us Klingon Kleavage! :D
     
  9. May 1, 2012 #9 of 12
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    But Redemption Part 2 had the great scenes with Data commanding his own starship. That's one of my favorite Data bits.
     
  10. doom1701

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    I thought I'd love it as well--but I didn't. If I remember correctly, at a critical moment, he decided that only he could operate whatever console had the magic happening. That's not a sign of a good captain.
     
  11. nataylor

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    I don't think so. He's looking over someone's shoulder when the first officer orders the guy away to go make repairs. And at one point the goes to use an unoccupied science station. But he makes the first officer do the rest, even though he could have done it himself much quicker.

     
  12. Win Joy Jr

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    Discommendation was supposed to convey that a Klingon loses all, honor, house, or even being recognized as a member of their race. Given that Klingons held honor above all, a life without honor is a fate worse than death.

    Remember, discomendation was not the first option. The entire council was aware of the issue, and we're only forced to act based upon public disclosure of the fact that someone betrayed the outpost.
     

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