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Star Trek: TNG getting HD conversion even though it's impossible

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Johncv, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. IndyJones1023

    IndyJones1023 Auteur

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    Maybe Lightwave was a separate product starting in 1994, but it was a part of the Amiga Toaster long before that.
     
  2. Fish Man

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    Yeah, you're right.

    The video toster (bundled with Lightwave) came out in 1990 or 1991, IIRC.
     
  3. IndyJones1023

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    That's what they rendered SeaQuest DSV on.
     
  4. doom1701

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    This is the most telling thing to me. Perhaps they could have CGI'ed the field, but the tech at the time couldn't have handled the wavy, ripply effect that the full field had.
     
  5. JYoung

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    Some interesting stuff in the article:

    Sounds like a lot of the Voyager (and probably DS9) CGI effects were lost and if they went to HD would have to be recreated from scratch.
    I can't imagine Paramount/CBS Video would be willing to foot the bill for it.

    Which is also the reason why we won't be seeing an HD version of TMP: The Director's Edition anytime soon.
     
  6. LoadStar

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

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    That seems incredibly short sighted that Paramount would contract out work and fail to retain ownership of all work product. That seems like it would be common sense for anything contracted out.
     
  7. alansh

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    Yes, you would think, but these projects are so big that a lot of stuff slips through the cracks and people don't plan for all contingencies. It's sheer luck that a full color copy of TOS's original pilot "The Cage" was found at all (found while cleaning out a film lab in 1987).
     
  8. nataylor

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    I'm relatively certain it is CGI. When it first forms in Farpoint, we see it from behind, looking back at the Enterprise. It's clearly made of three-dimensional elements. You can sort of make that out in this crude animation:

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    It's not simply a 2D surface with the effect on it. The bars seem to have all the hallmarks of early CGI to me. They're texture-less, and have very flat lighting.

    And all it would take to create the waving action is a simple transform of the individual bars in a single direction. Not difficult at all.
     
  9. JYoung

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    1. I think the producers' main focus was getting the show out on time so as alansh says, some of this may have slipped through the cracks.

    2. Studio Executives haven't exactly been the most forward thinking when it comes to PC technology. In fact, I'd gather that most of them don't "get it" at all. So it's quite possible that they didn't consider all of the ramifications.
    Even when you own the company, things can get lost (see JMS and Douglas Netter).
     
  10. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    Does anyone know exactly what they did to produce the HD version of TNG? Just cleaned up the films, leaving the special effects in place, or did they re-do the effects too?

    On YouTube there was a video of Farpoint that showed several scenes split, one side being the original, the other being the re-do, and they'd move the divider back and forth so you could see the difference.

    Thing is, except for slightly better color and sharpness, there didn't seem to be any difference. The ship, the giant alien "jelly fish" creature, everything looked identical.

    Did they actually do any new CGI?


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  11. mrdbdigital

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    Try reading the entire thread. :)
     
  12. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    You're so helpful, you of the 131st post.

    There are five pages.

    :rolleyes:

    Anyone out there willing to give an actual answer?
     
  13. scooterboy

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    My answer would be the same as his. Why should someone repeat what's been talked about this entire thread? It shouldn't take long to skim 5 pages and find the basic info you're looking for.


    ETA: Of course, I'm the guy who thought people should read the 100+ page thread for each Lost episode before smeeking for the 57th time, so take that for what it's worth. :)
     
  14. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    Potato and pen.

    :thumbsdown:

    And my reply would be the same as well.
     
  15. scooterboy

    scooterboy Coney Island Small

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    So I guess you ought to get readin'...
     
  16. mrdbdigital

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    Thanks for the support.
     
  17. JYoung

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    They did already.
    It's in this actual thread and has been discussed at length, in this very thread.

    It's not their fault that you're too lazy to take a few minutes and actually read it.
     
  18. mrdbdigital

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    This. :up:
     
  19. gastrof

    gastrof Hubcaps r in fashion

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    You're a great bunch. I ask for a simple answer which would have taken less time to give than all your posts did, and you want to fillet me for daring to ask.

    Keep that in mind yourselves in the future when you want someone to update you without you having to spend excessive time learning something from scratch. You're being LAZY, by your own definition.

    I disagree, but you made your bed...
     
  20. LoadStar

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    Sorry, I didn't want to read your whole post. Can you tell me again what it was about?
     

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