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Star Trek: TNG getting HD conversion even though it's impossible

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Johncv, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. Sep 28, 2011 #21 of 328
    LoadStar

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    The show was framed for 4:3 aspect ratio, and as such, I would not want them to alter this. Changing it to 16:9 creates a different visual image than what the director intended.
     
  2. Sep 28, 2011 #22 of 328
    DavidTigerFan

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    I think they should stretch it.
     
  3. Sep 28, 2011 #23 of 328
    Bierboy

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    :eek:
     
  4. Sep 28, 2011 #24 of 328
    Amnesia

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    I don't understand why they would release a Blu-ray with just a selection of episodes. A true fan might decide to purchase the season sets, but if they're going to release all the seasons, why would you want this "Next Level" disc?
     
  5. Sep 28, 2011 #25 of 328
    DougF

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    I think it's a test to see what the demand is. Plus, they'll want to see the reaction to the conversions.

    They have seven seasons to do. I'm sure they'll want some kind of gauge of interest before going to that expense.
     
  6. Sep 28, 2011 #26 of 328
    DougF

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    Yeah, I read it. But, the same percentage is cropped out. In some shots it might be critical, in others it won't.

    Regardless of that, why would you want it 16X9? Just to fill your screen?
     
  7. Sep 28, 2011 #27 of 328
    Amnesia

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    I just don't see how the test could gauge demand. I imagine most fans will want to wait for the set and not spend $22 on content that they'll just get in the season sets.

    So what then would low sales indicate? That no one is interested in season sets? Or that there are tons of people waiting for the season sets?
     
  8. Sep 28, 2011 #28 of 328
    DougF

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    I don't know. My guess it that a fair amount of fans will fork over $22 to get a look and see how the conversion came out. If enough do that and reaction is good, they may decide to go ahead with full season sets.
     
  9. Sep 28, 2011 #29 of 328
    LoadStar

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    I think it'll work sort of how a survey works, in that it will be a "sampling" of the fan base. They probably know that it will be low for exactly the reason you suggest... but there will be a subset that will be so eager to see it in HD that they will buy it anyway. Based on how large that subset is that ends up buying it will help them determine how much demand there is for the final box sets.
     
  10. Sep 28, 2011 #30 of 328
    DougF

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    Plus, Star Trek geeks are known for buying anything with the words "Star Trek" on it. There was a wedding on Cheers once (Rebecca and Robin Colcord?) where Frasier and Lilith gave the couple a set of Star Trek steak knives as a gift. Sure It was a gag and I have no idea if those things ever existed, but it worked because there was some truth to it.

    I think a fair amount of people will buy this and a decision on the season sets will come from the sales figures, reviews, online chatter, etc. I think they are being cautious because the TNG love just isn't like the TOS love. Converting to HD for TOS was all but a sure thing for making some money.
     
  11. Sep 28, 2011 #31 of 328
    marksman

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    Scifi nerds will buy anything!
     
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    I've read (for what it's worth) that it's even slightly worse than you describe:

    From what I've read, the 35mm camera negatives were scanned directly to videotape, via a scanner that reversed the negative image back to a positive.

    The rest is then exactly as you describe, all editing was done in the videotape format and all FX were created directly to video.

    So, yeah, they'll have to re-create the show from the raw camera negatives (possibly without good notes as to exactly which takes were ultimately used, etc. having to determine that through trial and error, essentially) and do the FX from scratch.
     
  13. Sep 28, 2011 #33 of 328
    Fleegle

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    Like I said, a LOT of work which will make for one heck of an expensive Blu-Ray set...
     
  14. Sep 28, 2011 #34 of 328
    Bierboy

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    Yes I would want it in 16X9....again IF the video material that is cropped is not excessive. How many times do I have to repeat myself, class? :rolleyes:

    And, BTW, I am not a Star Trek nerd. I've watched each series and movie, but am not obsessed as some are....
     
  15. Sep 28, 2011 #35 of 328
    IndyJones1023

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    This isn't exactly accurate. The directors of these episodes didn't exactly have any other option. And it's not like they were visionaries bringing their message to the screen. These were all studio directors running through the system.
     
  16. Sep 28, 2011 #36 of 328
    LoadStar

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    Well, I know it's a different director on a totally different show, but here's Joss Whedon's comments when he was asked about releasing Buffy the Vampire Slayer in 16:9:
    I'm guessing that there would be at least a few of the directors on TNG that would feel the same as Joss does about his show. Although 4:3 was at the time their only choice, just as Joss did when he made Buffy, they made certain choices within that restriction that would be affected by a change to 16:9.
     
  17. Sep 28, 2011 #37 of 328
    DougF

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    No need to be rude. I was simply trying to ask why you would want it in 16X9. It seems most hardcore HD people were also OAR people when it came to buying VHS tapes, laserdiscs and DVDs. I can't see why someone wouldn't want it the same for 4X3.

    You keep seeing you want it in 16X9 (if it's not excessively cropped, I get it), but you have never said why, at least that I've seen. If it's none of my business, just say so. Save the rolleyes for someone else.
     
  18. Sep 28, 2011 #38 of 328
    Bierboy

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    Sci Fi, in general by the nature of the genre, is MADE for widescreen. Now, whether STNG will adapt well to it is another issue altogether...
     
  19. Sep 28, 2011 #39 of 328
    Bierboy

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    See my previous post...

    I did not intend to be rude...if it came across that way I apologize.
     
  20. Sep 28, 2011 #40 of 328
    DougF

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    Ah, yes. I see now where you said specifically why you wanted it in 16X9 and didn't just say once again that you want it in 16X9 but only if it's not excessively cropped. My apologies.
     

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