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Star Trek: TNG getting HD conversion even though it's impossible

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Johncv, Sep 16, 2011.

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    Johncv

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    doom1701

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    This is being discussed all over the Internet, with many people assuming that the FX are being redone like done with the re-release of the original series. But there's been nothing official about the FX being redone. I have a feeling that this will be the most disappointing Bluray release in history...
     
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    vertigo235

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    I thought I read somewhere that the original film masters were destroyed.
     
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    JYoung

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    The other rumor is that they will crop the 4:3 originals to get a 16:9 picture.
     
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    DougF

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    That seems to be what is happening with some HD conversions of old shows. Seinfeld and Cheers were both done that way for HD broadcast. Now, WGN broadcasts a 4:3 crop of the 16:9 crop of the 4:3 originals for Cheers on their SD feed to DirecTV. It looks ridiculous.
     
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    DavidTigerFan

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    I didn't think that was it but rather they never shot with film.
     
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    vertigo235

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    So there really isn't HD footage then.
     
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    vertigo235

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    According to wiki it was shot in 35mm film so hd footage is available. But the effects would indeed need to be done because the compositing etc was done in SD
     
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    LoadStar

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    The principal photography was done with Panavision Panaflex 35mm cameras. It, however, was edited and mastered on standard definition broadcast videotape, so they would have to re-scan the film masters, re-edit the show to the same edit points, and reproduce all the VFX.

    This is video of the "Reading Rainbow" episode where they show the making of TNG. The episode was recorded during the first season of TNG. I've cued it up to the point in the show where they are talking about editing the show down:
    http://youtu.be/cCsD5PRoX7I#t=394s

    The task is not impossible - just improbably difficult, time-consuming, and expensive.
     
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    DougF

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    That sounds like what I read about the Seinfeld HD conversion. Shorter episodes and no FX to deal with, though.
     
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    JYoung

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    Well, maybe this isn't as slapdash as I thought.

    http://www.startrek.com/article/the-next-generation-blu-rays-launch-in-2012

    No word yet if they'll leave it at 4:3 though.
     
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    Bierboy

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    I'm all over this if it's 16X9 and not excessively cropped to do so...
     
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    DougF

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    Why would you want it 16X9? That will take a fair amount of cropping, won't it?
     
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    Fleegle

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    Wow, that's a lot of work, these will NOT be cheap Blu-Ray sets. I'm imagining a minimum of $150 per season. And I'll likely buy them if they're as good as they sound.
     
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    Bierboy

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    Did you read my comment? I said I'm all over it IF IT'S NOT EXCESSIVELY CROPPED...

    I wouldn't waste my money if the cropping leaves out critical stuff....
     
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    Fleegle

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    I would prefer original aspect ratio, I don't want it to be cropped at all.
     
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    Fleegle

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    Cropping a 4X3 film to 16X9 would crop out the same percentage of video regardless of the program. So whether it's Hogan's Heroes, Cheers or ST:TNG, it will be excessively cropped to get it to 16:9.
     
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    Bierboy

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    I can live with the cropping as long as we don't miss critical material...the trade-off would be worth it IMO.
     
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    Bierboy

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    Depends on your definition of "excessive". One person's "excessive" might be another person's "not excessive"...
     
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    Bierboy

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    Same percentage, yes. But it's what is INSIDE that cropped area that determines for me whether it's excessive or not...if it's non-critical video material then I'm OK with it.
     

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