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Spring update coming...

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by GriffithStrife, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. Apr 19, 2012 #21 of 154
    Lars_J

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    I may be mistaken, but the lifetime service is for guide data. Not lifetime of software updates.

    Don't expect new features when you sign up for it.
     
  2. Apr 19, 2012 #22 of 154
    dianebrat

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    My S3 still functions fine, gets it's guide updates and has a Lifetime of use ahead of it, they still have their Lifetime service, nothing has changed.

    Would it be nice if they got new features? sure, was that a promise made when you bought Lifetime? no, as others have said continuous feature updates are not part of the deal, continuous service is, and they are meeting that commitment. IMNSHO asking Tivo to continue to develop new features for old devices is above and beyond what they sold you.
     
  3. Apr 19, 2012 #23 of 154
    NorthAlabama

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    i'm new to tivo (tomorrow), and this thread has me wondering...instead of investing in lifetime service, i'm thinking the money may be better invested in new equipment in a few years instead.

    let's face it, the drive will probably need to be replaced or upgraded about the same time the lifetime service breaks even paying for itself. And it might be at EOL by then, too.

    i'm just started my first 30 days, and could still get lifetime. am i missing something?
     
  4. Apr 19, 2012 #24 of 154
    jrtroo

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    We already know- the programming platform is different for the Premieres and the new tools are not easily back-ported to the older items. We have had a lot of feedback directly from TiVo on that.

    TiVo is aging gracefully, and nobody is flocking over due to the last generation hardware. I have an ipod touch gen 4 because of what it can do today, not what I estimate it may be allowed to do in the future. My touch gen 2 just cannot run the same software, and who would expect it to? But it does a nice job with the feature set it already has.
     
  5. Apr 19, 2012 #25 of 154
    L David Matheny

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    It's just money math and probabilities. But a TiVo doesn't have to last too many years for lifetime to be a better deal.
     
  6. Apr 19, 2012 #26 of 154
    GoEagles

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    TiVo's with Lifetime Service have a decent amount of resale value. Try to get a cheap TiVoHD on Craigslist or ebay and call in for the $99 lifetime promotion for the TiVoHD. You could probably pull that off easily if you don't want the new HD menus and the things the Premiere can do.
     
  7. Apr 19, 2012 #27 of 154
    jrtroo

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    Not true- most drives last much longer than that. And, they are easily replaceable. if you are at all worried, upgrade it now and put the original on the shelf in case of an emergency.

    Lifetime has a quick payback on its own, and with resale, as they say- its a "no brainer". If you can afford it. How much do you pay for cable?

    There are not any signs it would be EOL in 3 years. Many have series 1 and series 2 running strong.
     
  8. Apr 19, 2012 #28 of 154
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Has anyone actully done that? I know they have offered the $99 deal to people threatening to cancel at the end of a one or two year contract... But I never heard them offering a $99 deal to a new box you just purchased.

    Especially if you do not have an existing contract.

    I haven't read the entire $99 thread so maybe this is something new...
     
  9. Apr 19, 2012 #29 of 154
    NorthAlabama

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    thanks, all, more to condsider, and i appreciate it. i will probably go lifetime, i'm sure i'll like the interface, and i've had years of comcast experience in the past.
     
  10. Apr 19, 2012 #30 of 154
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I have never had a drive fail on any of my TiVo's - I would say that most people will never experience a hard drive failure. My S2 had almost 10 years of reliable service before I unplugged it for the final time. And if you do, HD replacement is not all that expensive or difficult to do.

    EOL... Maybe, but then you just retire that "free" TiVo to another room and pick up the new TiVo for your main TV experince. Or sell that old TiVo to cover the bulk of the cost of the lifetime service on your upgraded model.

    S3 TiVo's with lifetime are going for ~ $300 on eBay, and MSD lifetime service will cost you $399, non-msd $499.

    This math has been done time and time again - no matter what the argument is, lifetime service is the most cost efficent program over time. It pays for itself in ~ 30 months
     
  11. Apr 19, 2012 #31 of 154
    smbaker

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    It is expected if one is paying a fee for software updates and guide data (aka "Tivo Service"). If the box is EOLed, and will receive no more updates then the cost of service for it should be dropped substantially.

    I still think lifetime is the way to go. After analyzing my ownership patterns over the last 12 years of Tivo ownership, in every case where I'd purchased a non-lifetime service, I would have been financially better off with lifetime.
     
  12. Apr 19, 2012 #32 of 154
    GoEagles

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    Does anyone know what this magical Spring Update will entail?
     
  13. Apr 19, 2012 #33 of 154
    lessd

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    Unless you throw away your TiVo-HD with lifetime TiVo does not make out that much by your upgrade to new TP as someone will buy your old TiVo-HD and not purchase a new TP so TiVo will get one new customer only.
    OH and what defines a loyal customer from a not so loyal customer if both people have had TiVos from Dec. of 1999. (or any date say from 2005 on).
     
  14. Apr 19, 2012 #34 of 154
    aaronwt

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    But is the monthly fee for service updates? Or is the monthly fee for guide data and the ability to use the TiVo software and features?
     
  15. Apr 19, 2012 #35 of 154
    unitron

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    I'm pretty sure the way to do it is for the current owner, who's already been paying by the year or month for at least 3 years, to threaten to cancel, at which point TiVo makes an attempt to get some money out of them one last time. In that situation the owner has the leverage.

    If you buy a new to you S2 or S3 and say "I'm going to cancel my not yet existing subscription if you don't offer me the $99 lifetime deal", they'll probably wish you and your boat anchor a nice day and hang up.
     
  16. Apr 19, 2012 #36 of 154
    Bighouse

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    Actually, the priority page says that new software HAS been released...so it's done and being pushed already....now, who's the first TC user to get it?!!!?
     
  17. Apr 19, 2012 #37 of 154
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I wouldn't take the language on that page as a announcement... :rolleyes:

    Once the release is out, Margaret and Dave Zatz will be announcing the release from the roof tops...
     
  18. Apr 19, 2012 #38 of 154
    Jeff_DML

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    there is another thread on it but mainly a new netflix and youtube apps. I think parental controls in HD and should hopefully be majority of the UI in HD.
     
  19. Apr 19, 2012 #39 of 154
    smbaker

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    <beat dead horse>

    I would consider software updates to be part of 'Tivo Service'. Hasn't someone with an old S3 or S2 or S1 paid enough already for continued use of the old EOL Tivo software?

    If the fee is primarily for guide data, then I'd like the option to choose a different guide data source. I think I can find one that is cheaper.

    </beat dead horse>
     
  20. Apr 19, 2012 #40 of 154
    Bighouse

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    Yeah, totally what he said!
     

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