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Southland "Reckoning" 4/17/2013 *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Kamakzie, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    Holy crap Cooper has had a REALLY REALLY bad month. Please renew this show TNT!
     
  2. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Well. Dang.
     
  3. dsmoot

    dsmoot New Member

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    I didn't think it could get any better than last week, and then they go and pull that. Wow, wonder if he lives and if he gets tried for murder, since that other guy no longer has a face!
     
  4. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

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    This show has to be renewed! I mean it has to!! Either way if Coop survives he's in mega trouble and I can't see him ever being allowed to be a cop again. Hell I don't see him being out of prison ever!
     
  5. snowjay

    snowjay 40mph couch potato

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    Almost in...
    Well, I certainly didn't expect that ending.
     
  6. Kablemodem

    Kablemodem Get the ketchup.

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    Sherman...
    He knew what he was doing when he started to walk away with the gun. I think he wanted to die.
     
  7. MrLatte

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    He was holding the gun backwards - don't they have Tasers?

    Also, what are the odds that a tweaker on the run can hit a helicopter?
     
  8. phox_mulder

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

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    I concur.

    He got up and turned very quickly, perfect scenario for suicide by cop.

    Based on where the two holes are, if it's renewed he won't have succeeded.


    phox
     
  9. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    crap

    What happened at the end?

    The recording cut off as Cooper was beating up the neighbor that had the gun/
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    He beat the guy's face into a pulp with the gun. The cops came, and ordered him to get away from him. He hit the guy a few more times, then got up and turned towards the cops with the gun in his hand. They shot him. As he lay all dying-looking, the season ended.
     
  11. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    wow... crap...


    :eek:


    :(
     
  12. calitivo

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    Cooper actually turned away from the police and was shot in the back twice, but there is a long pause where he understands the situation and then acts. Sepinwall considered it a death by cop decision.

    I thought there was too much personal melodrama this season. Both Lydia and Sammy's child storylines were boring and repetitive with the crazy wife yet again. Cooper and Dewey had interesting plotlines.

    Really enjoyed the progression the series made. A lot of great performances by Michael Cudlitz, Regina King and Ben MacKenzie. Wished they would have kept Chickie around. Honorable mention to Dewey and Lucy Lui.
     
  13. NJ_HB

    NJ_HB TiVo/MCE/PSP

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    Are you sure he was shot in the back and not on either side of his abdomen?
    I'll have to re-watch the last minute or so.
     
  14. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I looked at it again and it was pretty confusing, but there were two police cars on either side of him. One was close and empty and the cops from it were standing right over him, and the other (further away) had cops behind the doors yelling orders at him. I think as he got up he turned away from the empty car and walked towards the other one. It wasn't clear which cops shot him, but the wounds they showed were in the front of his torso and looked like entry wounds.
     
  15. RonDawg

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    Agreed. Once he decided to beat that guy to a bloody pulp with that handgun, his career is over.

    Also agreed. I think the stress of the kidnapping incident resulting in the death of his partner, his being second-guessed for giving up his gun (which BTW was the factor in the surviving officer from the "Onion Field" kidnap and murder on which this is loosely based upon having his own PTSD issues), his increasing feelings of loneliness after his romantic partner left him, and his ex-wife changing her mind on having a baby with him just finally put him over the edge.


    You don't use a Taser in what you immediately perceive to be a possible gunfight that is about to evolve. It doesn't matter if he was holding the gun backwards or not, he was given multiple orders to show his hands and not only failed to comply, but stood up with the gun in his hand and started to walk towards one set of officers.

    He had just beaten a man severely, possibly to death, so in the officers' mindset Cooper was ready to kill. This would be a 100% justifiable shooting on the part of the officers even if Cooper had NOT stood up with the gun, as he continued to severely beat the man despite orders from the officers. They would be justified because they did it in order to save the life of the victim.

    You only need one well-placed shot, even if it is truly by luck. Lots of cops have been injured or killed with shots that were just truly lucky, or unlucky on the part of the officer.
     
  16. RonDawg

    RonDawg Well-Known Member

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    (I removed my post from another Southland thread and put in here, which did not originally come up for me for some reason)

    Assuming this show gets renewed, these are what have me wondering for next season:

    • Does John Cooper survive the cop-on-(off-duty) cop shooting? Assuming he does, what is he going to do about his desire to start a family, now that his ex-wife changed her mind about having his baby? And will he be imprisoned for beating the crap out of that guy?
    • Does Lydia end up hooking up romantically with former work partner Russell? And will it be 100% out of love, or will it partly be influenced by her need for easily-accessible child care, and the fact that her son has bonded well with Russell?
    • Is Sammy going throw Ben "under the bus" for orchestrating the botched break-in to recover the tape of his fight with his ex-wife, which in turn will reveal he lied to Internal Affairs about the incident (a fire-able offense)?
     
  17. Mikeyis4dcats

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    man what a great show.

    IF this was the end of the series, I'll be very sad. But it's better than some cobbled together feel good ending.
     
  18. Test

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    I don't think the shows coming back, buuuut if it does I can see him coming back as well.

    Didn't Cooper mention that they were using the generator for their illegal growing operation? He did take the gun off of one of the "perps". Self defense? I'd bet the cops that shot him would back that up.
     
  19. mwhip

    mwhip All better

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    No talk about Sherman sending someone after the tape? I really have no qualms with what he did. Sammy wouldn't get rid of the tape so Ben had to get rid of it somehow.
     
  20. RonDawg

    RonDawg Well-Known Member

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    He did mention it, but the guy claimed that they did so because they missed some payments to DWP and their power got shut off.

    As far Cooper using "self-defense" as his justification for the beating, that would never fly. Legally, there was no problem up until he started pistol-whipping the guy. If he was in uniform, that would have been ruled as excessive force.

    I mused as to whether Sammy was going to report to his superiors that it was Sherman who orchestrated the break in at his house, and the beating of his babysitter. Of course, if he does that, and explains why Sherman would do that, it would reveal that Sammy also lied to Internal Affairs and he would be immediately fired for that.

    The worst part is the tape actually exonerates Sammy. His ex-wife was the one who initiated the assault, and Sammy just reacted the way a cop normally would have. He could also justify seizing the camera as it contains evidence of an assault against a police officer. But once he lied about it....there's no going back. And Sherman was dumb enough to go along with it.

    I would love to be able condense this season with just the Sammy and Sherman storyline, and show recruits how you shouldn't lie about things you are involved in, because it'll eventually come back to bite you in the azz.
     

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